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Astral Plane's Nature
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In a nutshell: just what is it?
During astral projection, our energy bodies along with our consciousness go there. But...where is that? Is it some short of energy manifestations on the area you dispatch your astral body from your physical one? Is it some short of energy network that is formed through natural energy currents? Is it just a projection of the unconscious mind or an energy manifestation of it that occurs within itself?
And then we have aetheric/etheric projection, which as some people say, takes place in etheric planes that are located in the sky. This one sounds more reality abiding, since the place that one goes is actually specified and it can somehow be pinpointed in the physical plane, but for the same reason it actually sounds more difficult as well.
What I am trying to ask is this: Does the astral plane exist alongside the physical plane, or do these two exist separately? And, aside how much it is possible for these two to interact, how much do they actually depend on one another? Does the physical plane actually need the astral plane, or is the latter a naturally occurring energy print of the former?
I hope I don't look too much of an ignoramus here. I just would be grateful to hear some opinions, or if possible, hear some verified information.

Thank you in advance.

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For a while I had thought the astral plane to be the realm of the dead; but I now believe it to be more like an echo of the physical plane, very connected as it can not exist without the physical plane. Where does the astral plane exist? I can not really say, I wold like to think its something like a sub-dimension connected to ours. Astral Projection itself is just that; a projection of the mind into the astral plane created with the use of energy. I believe that the astral plane and physical plane can not exist without the other.
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Unfortubately, like most spiritual ideas the astral is a complex and subjective idea. To start there are a couple of different forms.

Astral projection; this is comparable to remote viewing where the practitioner separates consciously from the body to venture to (and observe) other physical places. In this regard the individual is personally in a higher energetic state but keeping their attention close enough to the physical to still observe it. Some have said that one can use this to tune into old or lingering energies as well, to be able to replay their source kind of like rewinding a tape and then letting the recording play back. Though this is assocated with places with a strong sense of history and usually only happens with highly charged events.

Astral travel; this is where an individual leaves the body and also the physical. As to where you go instead, it can be many different things depending on where you intended to go, and your ability to reach that destination. It is difficult to explain well... But my thought on how you (you as in the general or collective use) teach the fifferent planes doesn't involve movement so much as a shifting of your attention and vibration. I think some people compare it to holograms. Each 'level' of vibration exists in the same place and time, superimposed over and throigh eachother. But each one would be of it's own light wavelength (to continue the analogy). Certain wavelengths we see, and those define normal teality. But by shifting our conscious awareness up the light spectrum would open up new things to see. ... and because we can only see so wide a band other things we normally would see fall away.

The higher up the energet ladder we reach, the further away we also get from physical appearances and references, and the more experiential and representative things might get. IE starting with the physical we experience through our senses and imagery. Going upwards senses and physical contact might loose importance but color and shape and sound get more important. Continuing up thought, emotion, and color alone might be prevalent while shapes lose meaning other than as imprints and fabrications the mind (which is still based on translating physical things) creates in an effort to make sense out of the experience.

The higherup you get the more abstract things become, and the more subjective things get. On the physical you could say you touched a tree. On a dreamscape you might say you saw a tree. In the astral you might say 'there is a tree'. Going higher you might think it felt as if there was the presence of a tree. Still higher and you might only get a sense of green and the sound of leaves. Keep going and it would be 'green energy' and so on until it didn't matter and the concept would be vague like 'it felt safe and sheltering'.
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the etheric world is part of the physical world,in occultism we know that the physical plane(world) consist of seven states of matter the densest being solid followed by liquid then gas but there are other 4 finer states of matter due to lack of a better scientific term we call these as ether1,ether2,ether3 and ether4..etheric matter is invisible and interpenetrates physical matter,dark matter is a form of etheric matter.the astral is not part of the physical world,it as a unique type matter that constitute its subplanes.please understand that the astral plane and other higher planes occupy the same space occupied by our physical universe and not one above the other,its due to lack of a better way to express this in physical language.therefore dont fall in error by thinking that the various planes occupy our universe like book shelves or onion layers..astral matter is very fine,its materiality or density we refer to when we say "higher" not space...
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For example a given space or room may be occupied by various forms of energy,a room may have light energy,say from a lamp in it may have heat energy from a stove it may also have sound energy from music playing on radio and may be odour or scent from some flowers or perfume all these may occupy the same room without affecting each other in any greater way but interpenetrating each other..this is a better way (but not an accurate way) to express how all planes starting with the physical,etheric,astral,mental,buddhic planes etc occupy the same space with only minimal effect on each other...etheric matter is part of the physical world the physical world has 7 states of matter the most dense are solid,liquid and gas respectively however the occult science recognises 4 other finer states of matter of which material science only know little due to lack of better terms we call these 4 fine states of matter as ether1,ether2,ether3 and ether4...dark matter is a new discovery in science its a form of etheric matter.
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