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Magic spells vs LOA
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Hello, guys and gals!
I was wondering if every single magic spell requires using the LAW OF ATTRACTION? I found out about LOA few years back but I really started studying it about six months ago. From what I understand, the power comes from your mind or Universe. And the candles, herbs or other things are only used for visualization and to set your intention. However, LOA for some reason never worked for me :(
I truly believe in it and can spend 40 mins in meditation, focusing on the outcome and feelings. And still nothing. Is there magic that works differently from LOA? From what I understand, if someone wants to curse person using voodoo doll, that victim could be complete unbeliever and the curse would still manifest.
I'm very interested in making this work and would appropriate any information that could help me reach that goal.
Thank you.
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Re: Magic spells vs LOA
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Re: Magic spells vs LOA
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The Law of Attraction is just one of a number of laws that apply to magical workings. While it is an important concept it is not one that is required in every single spell. If you would like to delve deeper into how and why magic works and become capable of casting successful spells then I would suggest the following books:

"Spells and How They Work" by Janet and Stewart Farrar

"Modern Magick" by Donald Michael Kraig

"Real Magic" by Isaac Bonewits

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Re: Magic spells vs LOA
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Personally Michael Kraig's reliance on the Tarot put me off him. Not how I do magic.
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Re: Magic spells vs LOA
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I personally don't buy into the Law of Attraction philosophy that is commonly pushed in New Age circles. It's also just that, a part of a philosophy rather than an actual natural law. To me, it's more like telling people to just sit around and think about things you want and positive thoughts rather than acting to get what it is you want.

Magic and spells are active, using natural laws to project your will to enfluence the change you want. I could sit around all day at home imagining getting a job without actually doing anything to get a job, or I could do some spells to help me with success in finding a job while I go out and do some work to accomplish it on the physical level as well.

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Re: Magic spells vs LOA
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I've seen a lot of different takes on the Law of Attraction -- the principle in general, and not the book itself.

It is true that (in my opinion) far too many people take it as a, "want it hard enough and it will happen. All you have to do is want it!" method, and just expect good things because they obsess over it or make a vision board, then do nothing.

But there are those who also facilitate their desires. Their vision boards (which I've found out are pretty common among LOA followers) are not just things they want; they are paths to achieving the things they want.

My take on the intended method is that it is the most basic form of doing magic to attain results externally. It is akin to when someone does their first sigil to see someone in a bright red shirt the next day. If they stay home, leave the television off, don't go online, or whatever, they will not see another person. But if they go to a busy place, they may very well see someone in a red shirt.

The LOA is similar: Someone may attempt to attract better financial income, then go home after work every night to do whatever, and repeat to themselves that they want better finances -- if they even do that much. Nothing happens.

The person who wants to use the Law of Attraction, and wants better financial income, and does something, may see better results. They may start applying for different jobs, or looking for a route to a promotion with their current employer, or look for strategies to ask for a raise. They might examine their budget, to see where they might cut out some unnecessary spending. Their results may be along these lines, or they may come from a different direction. Still, taking steps to realize a goal, and being open to possibilities, can go a long way to affecting a result.
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Re: Magic spells vs LOA
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I very much agree with Prsona on this. The law of attraction , like any other practice, is a bit of a minefield when it comes to finding good information. Books like 'the secret' try to push the idea into a conceptual extreme that goes beyond the bounds of reality. It is like science fiction for spirituality. (it has lost so much grounding it might as well be floating in space.)

LOA as a new age concept that started with the basic idea that like attracts like, as is often observed in nature and a key idea behind symbolism. At its origins the idea was to recognize that your thoughts have impact on your life. Live in a positive way and work to develop a positive attitude and you will encounter positive change. The idea is in itself a sound one, if you go through life expecting negativity then that becomes all that you see, because it is what you are actively looking for. Even if positive things happen you end up ignoring it because "it'll just turn bad or get spoiled anyways. I just know it. Nonpoint in trying". While maintaining a positive outlook fosters a desire to act on creating change, because it provides a sense of value to the attempt whether it was sucessful or not.

It is the difference between telling yourself "It'll never work anyways, I'm a failure." and "Even if I don't succeed, I haven't failed yet because I've learned something that gets me closer."

Books, and videos, like 'the secret' turn this idea into imagining you have some cosmic Djinni following you around and granting your every wish. If you want a sports car, sit in your chair every day and pretend you already have one, and it will appear.

While such things can help you achieve a goal, it requires adding in the steps of actually putting personal effort towards your goals. I suppose a better wording on the idea of LOA would be like this:

See your desires, believe in your desires, believe in your ability, and your attention will be attracted to the opportunities that will lead you to manifestation.

for example, say you really want to be a guitarist. So you choose to make it your passion. You get books, study music theory, imagine yourself learning how to play your favorite songs. ... These things will not make you dream up some sudden virtuoso skill. But it might lead you to stores and libraries. It will create chance encounters and desires. ... specific books to read by intuition. Saying hello for no reason to random people who turn out to be musically 8nclined themselves. Who might suggest a teacher... or another book.. or might have some random pointers. but every step of the way it is up to you to act on these opportunities. Go out and jet the book. And then read it. Sit and practice. Open your mouth and introduce yourself. Contact that teacher you were suggested.

There is a story about a man in his home during a flood, where he is waiting for god to save him while rejecting all the help that comes. It is surprisingly relevant.
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Re: Magic spells vs LOA
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I really don't know what 'like attracts like' is based on. I can only speculate.

Maybe getting too abstract/off the topic, but there are 4 fundamental forces in Physics: electromagnetism, strong interaction, weak interaction, and gravity.

In gravity, sure, like attracts like. In electromagnetism, like repels like.

Again, strong and weak interaction, in chemical bonds, tends to be that like repels like.
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Re: Magic spells vs LOA
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I think it would me more like sound and resonance. Place two tuning forks in a room of different notes. Ring a third tuning fork clse by that matches the note of one of them. The one that matches will ring, the one that is a different note will not.

Or, produce two sound waves of the same pitch and amplitude in a room. Where the waves cross, they become additive and stronger.

I guess it isn't a law based on a force, but on interaction.
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Re: Magic spells vs LOA
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Post # 10
"Where the waves cross, they become additive and stronger."
This is only the case when they are in phase. If the waveforms are 180º out of phase, they will nullify each other. If they are somewhere between 0º and 180º out of phase, they will be increase amplitude in some places and decrease amplitude in some places.
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