Those paths do not believe magic comes from the same source. Regardless Crowley's definition refers to his system. Every system should have their own definition, in fact every person should have their own definition!
I think this topic might have gone a bit scew wiff, originally your post was about the theory of magic, interesting how it went onto the topic of energy though. But see if your talking about intelligent debate. Saying to a moderator to refer to an Oxford dictionary could be a little offensive since what was needed was a backed up source to add weight to your argument. They don't need a definition of energy they simply know what it is, if your looking for a guy who knows good English and correct definitions, Brysing is it! Classification systems are very important, without those the entire occult would be a big blur.
Re: My Theory of magick 2 By: Brysing Moderator / Adept
Post # 42 May 01, 2015
I wasn't offended,William. Merely disappointed about the idea that electricity is energy. So I will say it again for the benefit of other "rationale and sane" members.
Energy is Mass.Remember? E=MC2? Electricity has no Mass. You cannot touch it,smell it, or see it. You can only see the "effect" it has.Electricity can, and does, "carry" energy.It takes energy to produce electricity, and electricity "releases" that energy to an appliance or to the Earth. But it is not energy of itself; it is the "result" of energy.
I had a backed up source. Wikipedia may have its flaws but it is a comprehensive source of information. And I have respect for Brysing don't get me wrong. I choose the Oxford because the dictionary is a well backed up source and I am ready to argue my point justly!
And remember Hadit that we are attempting to look at magick from a prospective outside of any religion, path, or belief system. If we don't look at it that we I believe we get easily caught up in my religion is better then yours and I wish to avoid all that!
And Brysing is indeed correct when referring to e=mc2. The theory of relativity shows that energy and mass are technically the same thing. However electricity is not a form of mass it is energy. Scientists actually debate wether molecules are actually matter or energy themselves. So you can say that the combination of molecules produces electricity but on the flip side if you believe molecules are energy then electricity represents a change in form from one energy to another.
If you are looking at magic outside of a path, avoid using definitions constrained to a particular path. Most people's magic is art, they forget science!
No apology necessary! At least for me. I feel I've been prattling on too long how about we hear some other definitions or view of what magick is or where it comes from!
