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The Odd Topic: Dragons.
Post # 1
So, there are many different perspectives of the Dragons. The long Elegant Lungs of Asia, The Fairy-tale inspiring European, and the Exotic feather dragons of Central and South America. These are 3 examples of many many different types of Dragons, and this confirms one thing. Dragons are mentioned in Mythology and Folklore almost everywhere, and many Draconic followers/enthusiasts use this as their go-to argument for their existence. It's a fair argument that does hold merit in conversation, but then comes the black sheep that is Dragon Magick. I am going to try and Clarify some key notes so potential Practitioners start on a better path.

1. Why it's sometimes frowned upon.
While Dragons have been found everywhere in the world, Dragon Magick hasn't; it's what I'd still call unexplored territory. I've seen some possibly credible resources like D.J. Conway, yet I've also seen the pool diluted by people following a 'Dungeons and Dragons' approach to Dragons classifying them into Elements and Metal colors; this is a viable method as Dragons do have elements and different colored scales however, it's sometimes being done in rather silly fashions with people choosing fantasy over history.

2. Mythology Versus Fantasy.
Take Tiamat for example, in DnD she is a 5 headed Dragon who is super powerful. In Mesopotamian Mythology, where Tiamat's name comes from, Tiamat is a primordial goddess of the Ocean, who is SEEN as a symbol of chaos not the Goddess of Chaos. In fact she is most often described as the symbol of femininity and beauty in the form of a woman. Some sources call her a dragon or sea serpent; this was because there were two parts of her Mythology, one where she is human, another where she is a Dragon/sea serpent.

3. Informed Versus Misinformed
Practitioners often try to contact this Chaos Dragon Tiamat, I believe that they don't find the Dragon Goddess but rather a different entity posing as a Goddess of Chaos. This is why it's important to do some research into actual Mythology, find the lore into the being you want to contact. It's one reason why I may be considered a polar opposite to other Practitioners, I'd rather know who I am working with rather than go on blind or rather misinformed faith. Some may say "You'll never know them otherwise!" but when you learn their Mythology you can really specify who you are calling during rituals or meditation.

4. Dragon Heirarchy? Does it exist?
Unfortunately, some people are diluted by this power heirarchy of Dragons, with say a green wyvern on bottom, and a Gemstone Drake on top. It's true, Dragons have a heirarchy but it relies on more than just sheer power. If you have done some research, you might've seen that Dragons live in societies called Clans. This by far seems to be the most credible one as Dragons are diverse like humans are. Clans are extremely important to Dragons, as they are considered to be extended family. Clans often have their heirarchy set with a Harbinger leading the clan, a Mystic, A Healer, Den mother's, Warriors, Scryers/Scholars, Craftsman, so on in no particular order. This seems more correct when compared to a Monarchy, as no Dragon can easily overpower the other. Which is probably why Lungs, and Europeans are still around.

5. Draconian Code Versus Draconic Code
So, I've seen people follow a Draconian Code rather than the Draconic Code. After research and what I've considered to be historically accurate is rather different from what I've heard some people say. Draconian Code, or according to Greek history, Draconian Law is an extremely harsh punishment code that originated from Ancient Greek Athens Scribe Draco. If I were to steal fruit from a stand, boom off with my head (Death). This pales in comparison to the Draconic Code, which in essence there is no single "One True Draconic Code" but rather a unique code for each unique clan. A Draconic Code is often a set of guidelines for you once you've either joined or formed a Clan. An example of Draconic Code is something like this
"1. In all that you do consider its benefit or harm to yourself, your family, and your Clan.
2. Your duty is always to yourself, your family, and your Clan.
3. Be honest with yourself and others and let them know you will not accept anything but honesty in return. You should always strive to be above reproach or criticism in the eyes of the world" quoted from

6. What is Dragon Magick?
So, this question pops up alot. What is Dragon Magick, How does it work, Can I learn it now, Do I get my own Dragon? That last bit is a little silly, but here goes... Dragon Magick is... Magick. It relies on the same style rituals that Wiccan Magick does, but the main difference is that you are calling upon the spirits of Dragons for assistance instead of deities or any other form of spirit. For example, say I wanted to cast a Money spell to grant me financial assistance. Dragons are fond of gold so they can help as long as you aren't greedy, but it truly becomes Dragon Magick when you call upon a Dragon for assistance. I draw my circle, light my candle, meditate, visualize, maybe draw a Sigil, chant a phrase, and maybe it'll work, but say I added the step where I called upon Fafnir (For example purposes only, don't really call Fafnir), if he is willing to help boom. Dragon Magick.

7. If I want to Learn Dragon Magick, Where should I start?
While many paths say to learn by yourself through practice, and study, with Dragon Magick I'd recommend learning with a master or atleast following in someone's footsteps. Again D.J. Conway on Amazon would be my recommendation for books, and if you are lucky enough to find someone who does follow the Draconic Code, and is on the Draconic Path (Which you will be able to see after a few key words) then try to learn from them. This doesn't mean that you can't learn alone but it is infinitely harder without guidance.

Hopefully this should answer some questions you might have. One more thing I'll mention briefly, Dragon Spirit Guides do exist, and all followers will find one if the Dragon wants to be found. That's a topic for another time though. Before you ask me to teach you, please note that I do not simply teach anyone as it's part of my code, I can't teach anyone until they are deemed worthy.
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Re: The Odd Topic: Dragons.
Post # 2
Hi Melthan, I agree with most of what you say, but I think I would add something to your sixth point. I've heard the question "How can I get my own Dragon?" many times, and it's really upsetting. Some people see dragons as pets or maybe as some kind of familiar but they are not. They are individuals, with clear and very different personalities. Taking what you said about Tiamat, some Dragons can have both the form of a Dragon or a humanoid form, and are by no means pets. They should not be treated like that and if people approach with that in mind, well, I can assure they won't answer. Not in a positive way at least. Very good post, thanks for sharing.
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Re: The Odd Topic: Dragons.
Post # 3
Thanks, I glanced at some Mesopotamian Mythology to get that info on Tiamat, which is why I mentioned her 2 stages. Remember, although I've practiced a while, I still have little understanding of them.
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Re: The Odd Topic: Dragons.
Post # 4
No, the entity that comes up when you evoke Tiamat the DnD goddess most liely isn't a trickster, but an egregore. Which makes it perfectly valid, as all spirits are on some level egregores.

As for the rest, I would agree with you. There aren't exactly any systems available for dragons, and it's a seldom spoken about branch.

It doesn't help that quite a lot of dragons only seem tow ish to work with those within their spiritual current, like a spiritual bloodline, rather than a physical one.

A good source for learning about Tiamat, would be Asenath Mason's book, the Grimoire of Tiamat. However, besides those few books, I think the only way to actually work with dragon is experiential.
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Re: The Odd Topic: Dragons.
Post # 5
So this little tidbit is something I found off of Wikipedia when I googled Egregore.

" Egregore (also egregor) is an occult concept representing a "thoughtform" or "collective group mind", an autonomous psychic entity made up of, and influencing, the thoughts of a group of people. "

Now this next bit is something I found off of a different source.

" In an occult or magical context, an Egregore is a general imprint that encircles a group entity. It is the summary of the physical, emotional, mental and spiritual energies generated by two or more people vibrating together towards the same goal; being a sub-product of our personal and collective creative process as co-creators of our reality. " This confuses me as I have never heard of Egregore before, but it seems to be a group phenomenon. Like when more than one practitioner works at once they experience an Egregore. More reading revealed this.

" An Egregore has developed to the point of attaining an independent existence as an entity itself or as an intentionally created entity, such as a servitor, that has grown in power well beyond its original design. To a non-religious practitioner of magic, an Egregore, and a god, or goddess, would be interchangeable terms. To a religious practitioner, an Egregore would be just below the level of a god or goddess. " That last sentence caught my attention, just below the level of a god or goddess.

I know that spirits vary in strength, but saying that the DnD Tiamat that some try to worship is an Egregore seems silly as it would be an entity that multiple people that have experienced the presence of. This would confirm the presence of a being that wants to take the name of Tiamat, maybe to gain followers, but this entity wouldn't be the Mesopotamian Goddess that some people know. I think this Egregore thing is a tad odd.
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Re: The Odd Topic: Dragons.
Post # 6
Whether the entity is self-created or newly-created is irrelevant, as when one journeys to the astral plane, they will notice that time doesn't exactly have much relevance there. Linear time is only a matter of human perception.

Not to mention, all of these entities have the same Source, as we all do. ''The All'', ''the Source'', we are all one same All seeking to experience itself in different ways as different things(as source for this I can cite personal experience, and a variety of books but most notably the Kybalion)

Likewise, most entities have cultural tainting to them, filters, masks, imposed by the mind of the operator, to an extent. Religious practioners experience the archangel Raphael as unwilling to work with anyone who works with Azazel, on my end, the two have a sort of polarity and enmity, in terms of energy, but they're both happy to work with me, just not with each other.

Chaos Magic is a branch of magic that uses belief as a malleable tool, and as such chaotes often do work with the egregores of fictional characters. While I have never even tried evoking Tiamat, I have worked with other bizarre things.

Sometimes, these entities are just masks of the same primordial forces as well-known gods(again, IN MY EXPERIENCE, mostly UPG, but sometimes shared by other people).

A good example would be this spirit, that ties in with Hephaestus, and Thoth.

Despite being completely taken out of the context of the cartoon, and worshiped by a bunch of goddess, this cartoon character is a pretty real entity, that can be evoked.

And spirits with the same name as some spirits still exist. That's like saying there can't be two Johns.

That said, having worked closely with the real Tiamat, I can safely say that she is much stronger than the egregore version, because despite not having evoked the egregore one, I can still sniff it, and from what I've seen of Tiamat, the real one result-wise, she is pretty powerful.

As far as egregores go, in my experience they can be individual projects, though they are always best ''field tested'' by others.

I'd say not to take my word for it, but approach both Tiamats(DnD one and the real one), and see what results you'd get. Any kind of experiences shared are good, even if they contradict mine(after all, we may be living realities apart from each other).
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