Awake too long is actually quite "mistaken" You can not "miscast" a spell if you don't know the language, because the words themselves have "no" power. In point of truth a spell will work just as well speaking words you don't understand as it will a spell you do understand. Why? Because it is not the words you are focused upon, but the intention. In your mind you know what you are seeking to accomplish. In your mind you believe the spell you are reading serves the specific purpose you are casting for for, and your mind is focused on that intent. The words will not change this, and they will certainly not of their own volition cause a different effect. If anything more thought may be required in this instance, as you do not have words you can understand sitting in front of you. Believe me when I say the language the spell is in will not cause the spell itself to take on the supposed "intent" that the words in that spell might mean in another language if you believe they are for another intention. "All" of the power is within the caster, the words, they matter not. People should be listening to my words, but instead they choose to embrace more superstitious and misleading paths, that will go no where and give no real power or control over their reality. I say more power to you, because pursuing such misleading ways won't give you any.
i agree with you, but you wont just go into a spell process not trying out the words, the intonation and accent does not mean antyhing, just say the work, i respect your view too but i am quite sure of what i am saying
i agree with you, but you wont just go into a spell process not trying out the words,
!!!!If you agree with me than you do not disagree. However after you agreed with me, you said something which is mistaken, that you must go into trying out the words? If you agree with me than you can not disagree, or did you only agree on everything I said except that? Since that was all I said, you can not agree with me and disagree all at the same time. You don't get to have it both ways, you either agree, in which case you can not disagree, or you disagree, in which case you could not possibly agree. Interesting contradiction here.
Either words are or are not necessary, like I said, you don't get to have it both ways.
Re: Original Language & Spell By: AwakeTooLong / Knowledgeable
Post # 14 Mar 25, 2011
Forgive me. I was responding while on break at work and didn't explain myself adequately.
I don't necessarily mean that a "miscast" is something going awry. Only that the spell itself will not function as originally intended. This is largely due to the lack of understanding involved in speaking, as in many cases speaking guides the mind in its focus. If you are stuttering and worried only about pronunciation then what use are the words? Your focus is entirely elsewhere and perhaps not guiding the energy, intention, and will. Varied results, or a complete lack thereof. This is more what I mean in the circumstance of a "miscast" spell.
Otherwise you could babble jibberish with focused intent and energy and generally find the same results.
i didnt agree with you, my comment was for what devil awake too long said, but it seems when i was writing my comment you were writing your too and you posted yours faster than i did mine
What exactly do you disagree with, the fact that words by themselves have no power, or that the language of a spell even makes any difference? Or that spells themselves can be totally superfluous and unnecessary? I have to wonder where you got your occult training, because honestly, I'm not seeing much knowledge of the basic foundations of magic and it's practice. It's not a relative thing you know, it's a science. What a shame, I advise learning more, because it's not a matter of opinion, not this.
most of the spell in use only are not really what they were in original language, they go through a lot of processing which i think undermines the potency or effectiveness of a spell,
take for instance a spell originally written in Spanish will have less effect when translated to English before usage,
!!!!Umm, why would a translated spell, mere words, make a "spell" less effective? They are simply words on a page. When we speak we are giving voice to something, true, but what are we giving voice to? Thoughts, feelings, idea's, passion, it's these things that cause change in reality, not words. They "can" help focus the will and give it a more clear shape, but for those who have strong imagination and focus they are totally unnecessary. In point of fact when someone casts a "spell" they should and will if they do it properly have their goal firmly envisioned in their mind, the words are merely their way of emoting action, literally. You don't need words to do that.
how ever knowledge of the original language is not really that important when using the spell, what i mean is all you have to do is call the words that makes the spell and it will happen,
!!!!Well that's plain wrong. I don't know exactly where you received your teaching, but you are giving bad info. I know your avatar is an old looking guy in priestly robes so as to try and give you an air of wisdom, but it just isn't there. This is just plain bad information, no wonder people get mixed up and led down the wrong path. Calling forth words for a spell won't do diddly, the words have meaning only if you give them meaning, and in truth are not necessary. They certainly have no power of their own. Absurd.
intonation and correct pronunciation does not in fact make for an error or disadvantage what so ever.
!!!!Yet you just said that changing languages causes a change in potency, now you contradict yourself by saying that changes in pronunciation and intonation make no difference. Which is it exactly? Please don't tell me you are going to continue to defend this flawed reasoning after all the holes I so easily poked in it. Please don't say that.
If spells are left in their original form they are even more accurate
!!!!Folks the world of the occult has two different sides, the science and the philosophical, we are not taking about the philosophical here, so relativity and such things have no place. People have to stop giving out misinformation such as this person is doing, wrong information, or dreadful, just plain dumb advice. I am not trying to attack or demean, only point out the glaring mistakes here, and to wonder why no one else is. If it's so easy to attack someone who is often right, why are not more people speaking up when someone is wrong? It must be a matter of popularity and mutual ego stroking.
!!!!People get far too caught up in the often created and too minute aspects of the occult, thereby missing how to make it actually work, be simple, and practical. They also end up making a lot of mistakes, and misunderstanding a great deal, as this person has. This should not be allowed to pass unchallenged, as too many newbies take this stuff as gospel, and spread what many here like to call fluff.
!!!!No offense to the white robed avatar fellow, but honestly, if you truly belief all the dreg you spilled out, then you need to go back to school mate, if you ever went in the first place, seriously. The occult, and magick, is not all pure relativism where you can spin whatever fantasy web you like. There are truths and falsehoods within it's study, like in any science.
I hope this helps someone who wants to seriously pursue a study in the occult sciences, because this fellows approach is anything but. Not trying to stir up a hornets next, just want the atmosphere to change a bit, and be a little less accepting of nonsense from some than it is from others. Take care all.
again, as alot of people are saying, words are just a tool, like your wand or athame. words themselves dont make magic, you do. if words are important to you then thats for an individual to decide for themselves. however, they are not necessary. you could make up your own language as you go along if you want and the spell will still work as long as your intent is there.
Awaketoolong is right. When concerning low magic though, language is not important in the least. What matters is concentration. There are grimoires like the Black Pullet that require every syllable in a ritual to be pronounced correct but those rituals are for adepts in high magic. Many of my friends stumble over Crowleys enochian conjurations without a clue as to what they're saying while I have had much better results with the English.