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There are a few types of shifts, to start off. Whilst others have their own sub-types, many have these four:
Fantasy, Phantom, Mental, and finally, the physical shift.
The Fantasy Shift is basically doing a spell, visualising the form you hope to have, or drawing it out. This is the easiest shift to accomplish.
The Phantom Shift is a bit harder, it's feeling like you have the limbs/wings/horns, ect when you don't yet. It can be done by telling yourself 'I have a [Part]' over and over again until you can feel it and move it. Easy to accomplish, hard to master.
The Mental Shift is one of the harder shifts. You put yourself in the mind of the animal, forgetting human thoughts and letting go of human impulses and take on the animal, and only the animal. Don't look at the animal, look THROUGH the animal. This is a slightly dangerous shift, as you can loose your human mind in it. Even in a strong M-shift, you may still have some (very few) human thoughts, maybe a word or two at a time.
The Physical Shift is the hardest of the shifts. By the time most people could physically shift, a few do not believe they can do it, but it WILL! NEVER focus on the thought that it's not real, focus on the fact that it is! It's never been documented because, geez, would you want someone filming you while you shift? Probably not.
To do this shift, you need an M-shift first, and then slowly visualise your body changing, growing, shrinking, whatever you need to do. After a while, you will feel it. For your first shift, go slow. Once you get your whole body done, visualise yourself opening your eyes but DON'T ACTAULLY OPEN THEM! Change them in your visualisation, then open your eyes. If you've shifted, be sure to shift back, because if you're in your form the first time for longer than 30mins, you could never return! To shift back, just imagine from the animal to human, which should be easier.
If you get to the part where you can physically shift, please message me and I can help you get your own method or finding which one works best for you and your animal.
Then prepare to get your desire crushed because you cannot become anything besides human despite how much you may believe the contrary. If you understood what real magick is and what at capable of you wouldn't be waisting your time with this nonsense.
ok Nekoshema thats a bit harsh cool it aight people have different beliefs to whats possible just like people have different beliefs of gods and goddesses and religions, no need to force your own on someone just because you dont believe in it.
Would you say the same thing to a scientist who tell you the earth is round. "Just calm down, they believe it's flat and that's all that matters" I'm trying to explain magick has limits to help people and while I might come off harsh at times, try repeating a fact 50 times a day every day to people who go "but I believe!" Belief is fine, but when you're using it as a shield to hide your ignorance it's gone too far.
HOW MANT TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS. shapeshifting is not magick, you have to be born able to shift. There are wolf shifters tiger shifters and all but it?s nothing to do with magick. Shifters cannot get bigger or smaller, so when you see someone for example that?s shifted into a wolf it would be an odd sized wolf.
You can say it as many times as you wish, Nonstop, but that doesn't make it correct. If you want to believe in shapeshifting, that's fine, I suppose, but there's no reason to spread that misinformation, nor is there any reason to be hostile with people who are simply stating facts.
That's not really relevant to this discussion, animalboy. You're trying to bring speculation into a conversation about what's scientifically proven. Debating about whether the label of human exists has nothing to do with shapeshifting not being possible. Furthermore, just because data has no physical form doesn't negate what data says about the universe. Data is something people use in order to understand the world around us.
Just to let you know, people can and have shifted before. Nekoshema and others against it, I understand your point of view; but I also understand that others have the sheer will and desire to become a Shifter. Please respect the wishes of others and if you feel the absolute need to point out ' This doesn't work', then please do it in a nice but discrete manner, so the dreams of others are not crushed.
Thank you TheSmallFox. Scrolling through recent spells, I have become sad from all the people discriminating against others spells. We all have different belief's. And I believe we should respect that. Magick only goes as far as belief, intent, etc. Shifting isn't a part of Magick. Like being an Empath isn't apart of Magick, you are born one. They are different kinds.
I don't know. But people like you help others. Thank you! -Dimka
TheSmallFox,Dimka, while I understand being upset, I don't think this is comparable to religious toleration and freedom of belief. (As someone who has experienced prejudice to the point of being harassed and singled out by authorities, I can't see the relation.) The basis of not discriminating based on belief is that belief is neither provable nor falsifiable. Believing in the Christian god, for example, is a religious belief because it's based on faith. Shapeshifting, on the other hand, is scientifically falsifiable, and therefore can't be classed as a spiritual belief. In addition, it seems pretty helpful that people are willing to point out which spells don't work. It saves beginners from wasting their time, and ultimately will lead to less disappointment.
OKAY, STOP. You know what? If magic doesn't defy nature and shifting isn't real, then why do we call it magic and not science? Because if you ask me, you seem to be linking some very strange and intriguing things that don't quit add up.
historically magick and science were the same thing. anything that wasn't known was considered "magic" by ancient man. over time the two coexisted in the form on alchemy, and eventually diverged into the two separate paths we know today. many practitioners are in the medical or scientific fields, and believe science will catch up to magick one day, but right now they are two separate things. [look up hypertricosis and porphyria, they're most likely the reason people believe in werewolves and vampires] magick is a natural, neutral energy, when you cast a spell you are tapping into that energy and directing it on a path [giving it a charge in the process] to bring a desired change to you. this energy then effects the energy surrounding the situation and effects it to vibrate at a similar level so you get the desired outcome you cast for. it does not effect the physical, or create instant, dramatic changes. those are a work of fiction, not reality.
animalboy7, couple things, 1 you're trying to sound philosophical but you come across as deep as a fortune cookie. 2. humans are matter [a physical substance separate from mind a spirit] 3. facts and beliefs are different. i believe in magick which facts can't back up [in fact, there's probably more science disproving it and yet i still believe in it because i've experienced it] 4. while you should have a solid footing in your faith, you shouldn't be a blind follower. you should keep an open mind and be willing to hear others. and before you say "but you argue your belief" i'm arguing facts, which are proven by studies, not feelings. 5. i've discovered through years of practice that magick on the physical works differently than magick on other planes. you can shapeshift on other planes of existence, but the physical is limited by natural law. my belief in other planes of existence are not proven by science, and not all Pagans believe in them, but that's their choice to do so. 6. it's Nekoshema with an "e", not an "i" [it's petty, i know, but you repeated my name several times and didn't bother to scroll up to confirm it was spelled correctly.]
I'm just going to say this, I don't know what to believe anymore. I truly believe that some people are gifted enough to shift while others aren't. Sure you can tell people that they're unable to do it and not to waste their time on it, but you can't tell people who've done it before that it's impossible. You aren't them. Flying is supposed to be impossible, but yet how did I do it when I was young? (I was awake, mind you, not dreaming)
it's a fact of magick, that's why we can tell people it won't happen, magick doesn't contradict nature. you cannot physically transform naturally, therefore you cannot physically transform magickally. as for your claims when you were a child you could fly, here's the problem with memory, humans are terrible at it. you will remember small details [example, you remember playing with a red ball] but when asked to remember more [where did you get that red ball] your mind doesn't keep it as vital information, so it just fills in the blanks with logical guesses [probably mom since she worked from home] so you only remember snippets and not whole events. our memory also changes with age, the way our minds develop we don't start having long term memories until we are about 2, and the older we get, the more memories become foggy and we begin to forget and fill in the blanks. i have this incredibly vivid memory of lying in my bed and it began to fly around my bedroom, but i know this was a reoccurring dream because that isn't possible, and the vivid bed flying dream would always be in my 3-4 year old self's bedroom [i moved a lot] i can still visualize this very accurately as an adult, but i know for certain it was a dream. as for your flying but it was real, it could of been astral projection, where your astral self can float/fly around your room.
shapeshifters are a type of race, just like angles, demons, vampires, and other things of the likes, there for you can't just become these things you have to be born as one of them. i know because i was was born a warlock which is a hybrid between a demon and a human.
Azaar, is a warlock not just a male practitioner of magic, although I've read of the type of warlock as a race in which you speak of in a fictional series of novels by Cassandra Clare, I have never before heard of the like elsewhere, I wonder as to what demon would be your parent though I believe you are role playing, which is against the site rules mind you.
Okay to everyone that is saying magick can't contradict nature the what is black magick to all of you and for the record I'm a full warlock by blood and I have transformed before but it took a lot of my power to do so
well firstly, i've never met any real pagan who goes by "warlock" as it translates to "oath breaker" and is seen as an insult in the community. [i also don't believe your shapeshifting claims, but ignoring that] magick is intention, not colour. "black magick" would spell relying on conjuring negative energy. that said, not every spell is 100% positive or negative, which is why a pure "black magick" spell [like a curse] wouldnn't fall neatly into one or the other. you could curse someone [black magick] who killed a loved one, or cast a love spell [white magick] but you cast it over someone who has a partner. you could argue these are good and bad, black and white, positive and negative at the same time. magick is intention, not colour.
Yes you are right about that but I was not going by color there black magick is just a word and I'm not a pagan magick user not all magick is pagan and if you want to do the whole colour thing in magick love spells are really just red spells white magick is more inline with healing spells
I've never met a real magick user who goes by warlock to be honest, but I've heard arguments of reclaiming it in the community so I guess go ahead. I'm more confused by the rest of your claims. It's confusing to me that in your first comment you implied that magick can contradict nature and then said that Druids and dryads can shapeshift because of nature. Also since when are people who practice Druidry known for shapeshifting? I've talked to plenty of Druids in my time in the Pagan and witchcraft community and shapeshifting isn't really part of the path. A dryad is a tree nymph, so I'm not sure why they were brought up. Some people believe they exist as spirits, but they aren't physical nor are they human as you claimed. There are people who shift on the astral plane and that's a completely legitimate practice, but physical transformation does not exist. Magick and nature work together.
Some choose to identify types of spell casting with its colour correspondence such as "red magick" instead of "love spells" however Real Magic is not spells, it is an energy. This energy has no charge and no colour, it is like the air, just floating around, affecting our lives in small and large ways. Magic is Magic, it does not belong to one group. Pagan Magic is Druid Magic, as well as Folk, Vodou, Heathen, Kemetic, and any other path. There are tales of people shapeshifting, however, there is zero evidence to support these myths. We have knowledge of Magic and its physical plane limitations, we have proven this, physical shapeshifting is not possible. You can mentally and spiritually shapeshift, you can transform in any way except physically because Magic is an energy that only affects energy. On a side, it was mentioned above but I have never met a single practicing witch that goes by "warlock" even in the reclaiming sense it is more common for Mage or even Wizard, and I was raised by witches. So if you are truly calling yourself a warlock I am highly skeptical of your claims, for if this is true, you would be the first "real witch" that I have met who goes by "oath breaker".
Okay yes every thing you all stayed is true and again I'm not pagan and as for druids there are other kinds of them and yes some are human like the ones who practice a lot of nature magick and yes it has not been recorded in the magickal community mostly cuz most transform magick is for other things that don't change a person but an object and like I said did change once but it used a lot of power and you can't transform in to anything that is more powerful that you so things like dragon transformation spells no you can't do that and yes it may sound confusing to some but I changed into a wolf as it's my spirit animal and was the easiest form I could go into and still it took a large amount of power from me
anyone can say anything. i could say i'm a purple bunny and by your argument, you would have to believe me no questions asked. our argument is "no you can't, and here's the evidence" do you understand the difference? you're claiming you're doing something that goes against nature, magick, and science. if you were talking about something spiritual, like "on my path, i feel yellow works for healing" that is a personal connection and open to personal interpretation. as for "i'm druid not pagan" "Paganism" is the umbrella term all religions that are not Judaism, Christianity, or Islam fall under. [so technically Wiccans, Buddhist, Hindus, and Druids are all Pagan] you can go with the term "druid" and that's fine. it's the old "all wiccans are witches, but not all witches are wiccan" fallacy.
don't bring philosophy to a science fight, animalboy7. magick is energy, it affects energy, it doesn't create physical change. it can influence natural physical change, but it doesn't contradict nature because it has limitations on the physical plane. if this was any other plane of existence, i would say you can shapeshift, because magick works differently. but we aren't on another plane, we're in the physical, and the fact of the matter is you cannot physically shapeshift.
they're not, they're just titles. it means the exact same thing, they're just more comfortable using "Mage" over "Witch" or "Wizard". it will take a lot to get the community to come around to "warlock" since for decades it has been seen as a negative term, similar to "fluffy bunny" or "fluff" it's a slang term in the community to use against people who are pretending to be a witch because they think it's cool, and not because they are following a spiritual path.
Can u people stop arguing?! I don't even think Magick is even supposed to make any sense. You might as well just call it science if you try to put stuff on it. Let people be people. We have beliefs. Saying we shouldn't believe something is like telling someone they can't have their religion and need to switch to another one. Life is life, people, get over it.
1. the conversation ended over a month ago. 2. nobody said you can't believe, they are stating a fact, and it is up to you to do with it as you please. 3. if you don't think magick is supposed to make sense, that's fine [look into chaos magick] however, it does have rules and limitations on our physical plane of existence. these are just facts of magick. what you choose to do with the information is up to you. 4. stating facts is not the same as saying you can't follow a specific religion. if you believe in mental or astral shapeshifting these things take place on other planes of existence and nobody can prove or disprove the validity of these things, claiming you can do so physically is another matter because we actually know you can't do this, it's not a belief, it is a fact which ar two different things.
I too believe in shape shifting but it's really impossible. Why?? Because only shamanic people can shape shift or maybe some old hidden people tribs too but they never gonna share there shape shifting magic to you and they will protect this secret until they die. They dont have any magical scroll or magic book so you can't stole from them too, they have there knowledge in their mind and they pass this knowledge only to their generation who is really capable of it. And mastering them is not easy normal people can't even think about it they spend their whole life practising in cold mountains of Himalaya with half/full naked body.
Shape shifting is not physically possible. Those who are claiming it is are outright lying. Unless they have undeniable evidence, like raw video footage, that they have performed such a supernatural feat, nobody, and I mean, nobody will believe you.
It's childish to assume that because "shamans can shape shift so it must be true". Shamanic traditions all over the world have many bold claims like this. Just because they say they did doesn't mean they actually did, and not in the sense that you think. Shape shifting to them was a very spiritual, sacred practice that involved many meditative practices and sometimes involed the consumption of hallucinogens.
Shamanism, paganism, and everything of the like, is a primitive form of philosophy and understanding of the human psyche as they saw it before modern science. It has nothing to do with magical powers or abilities. It's about understanding the world as one may have understood it many years ago and applying it to our current understanding.
As far as anyone is concerned. You. Will. Never. Shape. Shift. Ever.
1. roleplaying is against site rules, you cannot physically levitate [outside of magic tricks like Criss Angel] 2. people who explain the limitations of magick do so, not because it "didn't work for them" but because we've studied for a long time and wish to pass on what we've learned. physical transformation doesn't work because it contradicts how magick works on the physical plane. look into astral projection.
Shifting and the ideas around it is a topic that becomes controversial very quickly. But, despite how hot-blooded it can be sometimes these sorts of discussions are important to have. It makes people face their ideas and see the challenges behind them. And, every once and a while hits the reality button when it is needed. After all, it is indeed ok to have your head in the clouds but only so long as your feet remain on the ground.
That said, one must take into account the level and nature of shapeshifting being discussed, for there are many of both. And this particular article does demonstrate a few basic ideas, just in need of some grounding. The sort of thing that most people develop over time and maturity.
There are multiple levels of shifting, from the purely spiritual levels attained through Self perception and usually related to astral projection/travel to dream working, auric work, shamanic journeying and shapeshifting, mentally shifting, and finally using it as a term for conducting deep personal change.
But truly changing the physical shape and function of a human body into a non-human form is unfortunately outside of the realm of possibility. And even by the description of this article it follows that truth. By using meditation, mental focus, and visualisation you can manipulate the sensations and perspectives of your mind and body, to make it feel as if you are experiencing the presence of fur or scales, the shape of a muzzle or flick of a tail, or even the rustle and flap of wings. The exercise you can't open your eyes when doing the shift. That is because as soon as you open your eyes and look at your body the mind is reminded of your physical (and static) form. Then the sensations, however real they felt, would fade.
An axiom I would like to submit to this discussion; it is true that no matter how fiercely you refused to believe in gravity, you'll still hit the ground when you trip.
Though, to be fair, while the act of telling a truth to people isn't mean, even if they don't want to hear it... -How- that truth is expressed can be mean. And sometimes when a person has to repeat a statement many times in many places, the urge to take the considerable time needed to be gentle and constructive gives way to blunt brevity.
Ioved reading this [especially the last part. Trust me, I use to be all "a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down" but after months of repeating myself I just use the hammer of reality] yes, there are various forms of shifting, and there are many ways to do so. Unfortunately, the one that cannot happen, and the one everyone wants to happen, is physically shapeshifting. I really enjoyed reading your response, it was a breathe of fresh air.
There is indeed a possibility that you could have constructed or otherwise formed energetic wings. Though you may have also hit on a more rudimentary first step anyways; collecting a highly focused mass of energy at your point of focus. It tends to feel like an area you focus on becomes warm as if flushed, tingly, and with a sense of weight. Try again, but while in that state lightly flex your shoulders and back as if you were moving wings. Visualize ths smaller details; How far does the energy spread out, can you feel the shape shift and flex, imagine opening and closing thd wings slowly.
It is a fun energy-working exercise, .. sort of a more complex version of psi-balling.
Shifting as well as other things do indeed exsist, but it's not humanly or magically possible. Magic is an extension of the powerful souls humans have, but sadly the body is not the soul, and the body of a human is relatively weak. But there are things that live among the humans, an oppressed and hunted race that was that way because the humans feared them, now that race fears and hates humanity. But that's besides the point. If you or anyone else can shape shift its not because your a human who was born with that gift, it may be because you aren't human at all. But just because your no human, does not mean your a god either. Better too clarify before people start believing there god's because there intelligent enough too hold a conversation, powerful, and inhuman.
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