In my other thread, Nine Entities, I was asked to share more of my allies, who operate on a more hidden level, so I decided to do another one. This spirit, is essentially the merged form of two high-ranking demons, known as King Paimon and King Belial.
Much like every bee in a beehive is an aspect of a single whole, the hive, which one can work with as if it were a single entity, because it is, this entity is a merged form of the two entities, King Paimon and Belial.
This means, that both King Paimon, and Belial are two aspects of Ohrocras. Two sides of him. Much like both of those entities have their aspect, and Ohrocras himself is part of a bigger whole.
This merged form has all of the powers of the two demons, who themselves have quite a reputation.
King Paimon is a teacher, of arts and sciences, both mundane and esoteric. He is also known as one of THE greatest demons to call on for mind control purposes.
King Belial, on the other hand, is a master of lawlessness, standing in opposition to authority. He can sway authority figures, as well as alter circumstances and situations, provide with material desires, and other such things.
Before working with Ohrocras, I would advise you have a connection with both King Paimon and Belial. At the very least, research about the individual entities before you summon the one that goes above both of them.
For a sigil, combine that of the two.
Planetary: Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, Luna, Sol
Elemental: Water, Earth, Air
Animals: Lion, Dove, and Eel
Colors: Pink, Violet, Blue, Green and Orange
I strongly disagree about Paimon, politely and friendly. I know Paimon, for a very long time... Paimon is not like described in wiki, and first and foremost not a "King". Paimon and Belial are two seperate entities, they do not belong to the soul of Ohrocras. This is not possible... They are not merged, at all. Also, Paimon's colours are not what described or some of them.
I will not talk about Belial as I don't know at all about him. But yes indeed, Paimon is highly advanced into mind controling and indeed is a high-ranking Demon.
Remember, as stated before, we likely live universes apart from each other. What is ''real'' to me, may not be ''real'' to you, and so on. It's all in the Assemblage Point.
About King Paimon, I have been working with him closely and regularly for the past three years or so. So I know King Paimon well enough. On my end, he prefers to be called King Paimon, as he had earned his title. But once again, he may have had different requirements of you.
A friend of mine even found him uncooperative when she called him just Paimon, whereas he is just fine with me calling him Paimon. Different strokes for different people.
As for their merged form, you're essentially tapping into the being that is the summation of the lower ones, which in this case would be Paimon and Belial. Sometimes the names of merged forms keep with the "entity-entity" format, and sometimes the merged forms choose their own names.
It isn't exactly something Belial or Paimon, care about if you "disturb" it- it is them, just under another, stronger aspect, which is their fused form.
I mean, there is an entity, that is literally the summation of every single being within the Amazon Forest. Another entity, is also the oversoul of humanity, the oversoul of all humans. And on a metaphysical level, there is a spirit that is the summation of everything that ever has, and ever will exist, and it's called Source/The All/Parasiva/Everything, or whatever other term you use for the macrocosmic nucleus of your realities.
As with every time someone has disagreed on the nature of the entities I post about, I would advise ignoring the armchair theorizing, and ask the entities themselves. My information is by no means ''truth'', nor am I even remotely trying to impose my views upon others. I'm just sharing what has worked for me, ideas, experiences, so you don't have to work from scratch. Take it all with a grain of salt, and see what the spirits say.
If they agree with me, then great. Thanks. If they don't agree with me, then great, find what works for you. I am by no means the epitome of magic and power, some self-proclaimed, important, holier than thou magus or god trying to make everything I say look like absolute religious truth.
No, this is not me. You'll find my motives being more humble, and oriented at guidance.
Here endeth Zel's fussing lecture. Soz, if it was problematic for any reason.
And for what is worth, I genuinely and wholeheartedly enjoy these discussions. I know it's not personal, for either you or me, or any individual who disagrees with me. It's just a matter of different perception.
Remember doubting Thomas, in the Bible. While everyone marveled at Jesus's resurrection, Thomas was skeptical about it. He refused to believe Christ had appeared before the other apostles until he could see and feel him. And for his doubt, Thomas was the only one who was allowed to touch the body of the resurrected prophet. This story has more symbolic value to it, than direct one.
A world that can be shaken and torn down by simply displacing one or two pillars is not exactly a stable one. And unstable universes should be torn down, so that stable ones can be built.
In fact that's what I did, I summoned Paimon and asked "him". No, I don't summon spirits like the advanced ones do..it just needed a Ouija board and a pendulum... Paimon doesn't like to be called "King Paimon" and she has no problem in being called Paimon. I call her "Paimon".
I don't think/support in my opinion there is an entity that has "everyone" in its soul, I'd call this "entity" as "Universe" but I don't personally believe Universe is an entity. I believe however, everyone and everything are connected...
I didn't blaim you or attacked you, relax. :) I am expressing my personal opinion fully (this is why I am saying "in my opinion etc all the time), and I'm sorry if I sound hostile, I'm not in mood to...
''Entity'' is not the right word. ''Consciousness'' is barely the right one, to describe Source. Yes, it is technically the Universe, and being the ensemble of everything that there is, you will find that it does not have an expressed will, or set of emotions, or thoughts, because it simultaneously occupies the homogeneous and undividable consciousness of ''everything''.
And again, to each their own. I would question the reliability of the Ouija Board, though more traditional methods were always far easier for me, so what do I know. Different strokes, for different people, living in different universes.
The entirety of this post is unverified personal gnosis, or "UPG". It is not a tradition, nor is it bound to any laws or dogma of a certain tradition. Whilst there is no proof that Ohrcras exists to me, you have countless proof no doubt.
Not everyone's information when it comes to spirits will be corroborative, after all, it al filters through the individual's mind and therefore isn't 'pure' or 'unadulterated'. I would argue that perhaps you should mention that it is your personal opinion, or personal experience that Paimon and Belial are two aspects of Ohrocras, not that they explicitly are.
Haven't I been stating that, explicitly, every single step of the way?
''Remember, as stated before, we likely live universes apart from each other. What is ''real'' to me, may not be ''real'' to you, and so on. It's all in the Assemblage Point. ''
''As with every time someone has disagreed on the nature of the entities I post about, I would advise ignoring the armchair theorizing, and ask the entities themselves. My information is by no means ''truth'', nor am I even remotely trying to impose my views upon others. I'm just sharing what has worked for me, ideas, experiences, so you don't have to work from scratch. Take it all with a grain of salt, and see what the spirits say.
If they agree with me, then great. Thanks. If they don't agree with me, then great, find what works for you. I am by no means the epitome of magic and power, some self-proclaimed, important, holier than thou magus or god trying to make everything I say look like absolute religious truth. ''
''And again, to each their own. I would question the reliability of the Ouija Board, though more traditional methods were always far easier for me, so what do I know. Different strokes, for different people, living in different universes.
Remember, whatever works!''
The monkey mind filters information. To some people, angels are emissaries of Jehovah, and to others, imprints of the universe. To some Bune is grr a scary demon, and to some a beautiful Egyptian goddess. To some, the Loa are incredibly powerful masters who demand adoration and devotion, whereas to some they are light-hearted deities.
Also do keep in mind that I identify as a LHP magician. I place subjective reality beyond objective reality, in importance.
And as stated before, I am not claiming infallibility. I am no prophet, no wizard, no saint, no god.
The point is that it's not explicitly stated before you begin talking about how things are; for example, you begin this thread with talking about a spirit you work with which is essentially the merged form of two-high ranking demons known as King Paimon and King Belial. You don't state where these entities originally were cited from or that this is personal gnosis distinctly separate from any tradition associated with their source material. This can be very misleading to someone who has never been exposed to any practices or beliefs involving either tradition or your personal gnosis.
Had that been done, all of these responses wouldn't have followed and different ones might have been given.