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Delving into Death

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Delving into Death
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Delving into Death:
Exploration of the concept of death.

Philosophers and non-philosophers stand on a level of equality with respect to death. There are no experts on death, for there is nothing to know about it. Not even those who study the death process have an edge on the rest of us. We are all equals in thinking about death, and we all begin and end thinking about it from a position of ignorance.

Death and its concept are absolutely empty. No picture comes to mind. The concept of death has a use for the living, while death itself has no use for anything. All we can say about death is that it is either real or it is not real. If it is real, then the end of one's life is a simple termination. If it is not real, then the end of one's embodied life is not true death, but a portal to another life.

Having no content, we must speak of death metaphorically. For those who think death is real, death is a blank wall. For those who think it is not real, death is a door to another life. Whether we think of death as a wall or a door, we cannot avoid using one metaphor or another. We often say that a person who dies is relieved of suffering. However, if death is real, then it is metaphorical even to say that the dead do not suffer, as though something of them remains not to suffer. As there are already many speculations about some sort of 'next life', reincarnation and what not, we will focus on the view that death is real and marks the final end of an individual's life

Let us explore the metaphor that death is a wall a bit further. Each of us is born facing this wall. From that moment on, every step we take is towards it, no matter which way we turn. There is simply no other direction to take. Like a fun house mirror, the wall of death show us our living fears and distorted images of ourselves. All we see when we look at death is a reflection of our own lives.

Death has no subjective meaning at all. It will come to other people, but never to me. Of course, I know that I am going to die. Death means the end of my future. However, as long as I am alive, I will be living toward that future possibility of no longer having possibilities.

The unavoidable conclusion is that, if death is real, neither I nor you will ever personally taste death. I will cease to be conscious before the end. No matter how close I come to it, death recedes before me. I am actually dead only for others. When the end actually arrives, my dead body passes into the hands of the coroner. I will no longer be there. Death is always described from the perspective of the living. As Ludwig Wittgenstein famously put it, 'Death is not an experience in life'.

The concept of death is unlike most other concepts. Usually we have an object and the concept of that object. For example, we have a horse and the concept of a horse. However, the concept of death is absolutely without any object whatsoever. Thinking about the prospect of one's own death is a constant meditation upon our own ignorance. There is no method for getting to know death better, because death cannot be known at all.

One trouble with discussing this topic is the instinctive fear of death. We tend to avoid death in our thoughts and actions. However, if we could forget our fears for a minute, we could see more clearly how interesting the concept actually is from a more detached point of view.

(And I have found many who have forgot those fears on this site, as there are many people who I know who do work with death.)

Birth and death are the bookends of our lives. Living towards death in time gives one's life a direction and framework within which to understand the changes that life brings. The world looks very differently to the young and the old. The young look forward. The old look back. What matters to us changes as we get older. The prospect of death informs these changes. The young have an intellectual understanding that death comes to us all, but their mortality has not become real to them. For the old, mortality starts to sink in.

(For a long time, I have been puzzled by two famous philosophical ideas about death, one from Plato and one from Spinoza. The first is that a philosopher has a vital concern with death and constantly meditates upon it. The second is that the wise person thinks of nothing so little as death. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. Ignoring death leaves us with a false sense of life's permanence and perhaps encourages us to lose ourselves in the minutiae of daily of life.)

Obsessive rumination on death, on the other hand, can lead us away from life. Honestly coming to terms with one's death involves reflection on its significance in one's life, and thinking about the larger values that give life its meaning. In the end, it is useful to think about death only to the point that it frees us to live fully immersed in the life we have yet to live.

(Personally, I have come close to death, and I still feel although I have learned from the experience, I have gained no knowledge on death itself. I work with an Aztec death deity Mictlantecuhtli with regularity, and although I now understand the feeling and atmosphere that death brings, yet the act of dying itself is something I will never truly understand until I die. And yet, will I even understand it then? Are we ignorant to think we understand it?)

What are your thoughts on death? What do you believe about it? Do you fear it? Is it as enigmatic as it seems? Etc. Please feel free to share your thoughts.

Footnote: I collaborated on this article with a friend, Jeff Mason. The parts that I have added in brackets were not part of the original article, rather they are the parts which I have been thinking as I write this.
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Re: Delving into Death
Post # 2
To me death is the gate to freedom,theres no reason to fear death because its like being reborn.
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Post # 3
Interesting thought, I think I understand what you mean by this.
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Post # 4
I somehow agree, but to be honest, I am a little afraid of death. I am sure that there is life after death, but I do not know what will I be.. Will I be a demon or a spirit? Angel? Ghost? still questioning and wondering..
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Re: Delving into Death
Post # 5
I'm not really afraid of death. Yes, if I was dying I wouldn't want to leave my family and such, but I'm not really afraid of the 'after'. I died once due to suffocation because of a medical condition and was in the 'inbetween' I don't remember much except enhanced senses and a feeling of being loved.
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Re: Delving into Death
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Post # 6
I agree with your argument that everybody is equally ignorant on this subject, the best we've ever done was guess. Nobody can really know. How do we know that this life determines what happens in the next one, or that this is the only one, or even that this life isn't just a dream. For all any of us know, death could be different based on what you think about it.

In any case, once you're dead for so long your neural system loses they charges that made you who you were. That's when you're dead to this life, and when it matters what death really does to you.
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Post # 7
Some scientists have learned that our minds go to a limbo for a time when peoples bodies die but minds dont. Could it be that when you die you must choose to walk past the curtain instead of going back to life to step into the unknown and possibly be destroyed or possibly see that this reality does not even exist that we are just in a simulation and it is our choice to leave but we dont remember entering so we fear to leave or do we just not exist are we some meaningless character in a book we wont know till we embrace death and learn not to fear it i fear it only because i am a plotter i have a plan but my death is never part of it. Part of me will always seek to conquer death by looking for immortality but part of me has embraced death and knows that it is like birth but only in a different sense i have worked whith life and death but the one question remains do they really exist and if they do are they even significant as i once heard the meaning of life is not death but to live
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Post # 8
Thank you all for your thoughts! I especially agree with Vladoom; and Ronin, that concept is indeed curious. Science these days.
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Re: Delving into Death
Post # 9
Well it was just my thought. But it is curious that someone would look to see others views
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Post # 10
To be honest, I think people go on about ''I have summoned the spirit of my dead great grandmother's auntie's sister'', and claiming to do all these fantastic feats involving death and blah blah blah without understanding the concept of death itself. Without understanding, there is nothing of significance.
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