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Re: Alchemy
By: Moderator / Adept
Post # 16
It's not just Wiccans who equate the term "warlock" with "oathbreaker. It is also how multiple dictionaries show the derivation of the word from Old English. For example:

warlock (n.) Look up warlock at Dictionary.com O.E. wærloga "traitor, liar, enemy," from wær "faith, a compact" (cf. O.H.G. wara "truth," O.N. varar "solemn promise, vow;" see very; cf. also Varangian) + agent noun related to leogan "to lie" (see lie (v.1)). http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=warlock

Origin:
before 900; Middle English warloghe, -lach, Old English wrloga oathbreaker, devil, equivalent to wr covenant + -loga betrayer (derivative of logan to lie) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/warlock

Origin of WARLOCK
Middle English warloghe, from Old English wærloga one that breaks faith, the Devil, from wær faith, troth + -loga (from logan to lie); akin to Old English wær true — more at very, lie
First Known Use: 14th century http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/warlock

In modern Wicca it is a term for someone who has betrayed their oaths to their coven, that's very true. But that term is based on an ancient derivation as the dictionaries show.

It is also true that Hollywood and fiction writers have taken the term and used it to represent a male Witch based on terms used by the Witch hunters during the Middle Ages. But this is a misunderstanding of the term.

If your Master uses the term that's fine. He isn't the only one I know who chooses to use the term, whether for shock value or because they feel it is a representation of who they are.

But let's not suggest that the lack of use by others, or the poor regard others hold for the term is based on what Wiccans believe; it's based on the historical meaning of the term in Old English from whence the word "warlock" comes.
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Re: Alchemy
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Post # 17
EverLearning my interests have nothing to do with this.
And who are you to tell me that im fluff and disrespectful ?
Yes i am a Guild Master of My Own Guild which has now some members. We are like family and we will be always.
Don't judge my guild like this.
You say that watching animes leads to " childishness" ?
Heh... Think what you want, i won't prove anything to you.
If you don't believe me that's fine, if you insult me that fine too, if you tell im fluff that fine...
But if you ever say something bad for my Family ( Guild) i will never forgive you, nor will my Guild will.

You say that pyrokinesis and electrokinesis are "fantasy ?
I know from personal experience that they are not " fantasy"
and that they work.
If you don't believe that they don't work, then this is not a reason to make fun of it...
You know nothing of true magic.
Even if im only 14 years old i have a great knowledge given me by my Master ( and he is my teacher, but i made him my master) and by many books for evoking, traditions, invoking, knowledge, wars and many others. My knowledge is sacred for me and i will share it with those only those that believe in the true magic and have chance to reach it. Ill share my knowledge with those who will it.
If you don't have those things or don't do them, there is no way that i can share you my knowledge.
I have made that mistake... To share my knowledge with those who don't believe...
Even if you practice magic from 20-40 years or more, if you don't believe in the truth and you don't will it, you won't be able to reach that God Like power.
You judged me. I won't do it to you. I am not selfish like you.
Some years ago, i was powerless.. I couldn't do nothing, but when i met the truth and my Master i realized that i can do everything. That everything is possible. That those powers which we hear in some " fantasy" book can be reached.

From Months i write " Nothing is impossible", those words have changed lot of people like you.
But i assure you you won't be able to reach that power even if you spend years and years on searching.
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Re: Alchemy
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Post # 18
The supposed scientific explanation for why the Philosopher's Stone could transmute metals was that the Stone was a purified concentration of mana imbued into physical form through chemistry. In theory, it deconstructed matter and then reconstructed it into a new shape at the quantum level. Though alchemy has an inherent philosophical element to it, the myth of the Stone existed in conjunction with hermetic beliefs and was considered an application of such knowledge. If anyone is interested in learning more look up the Book of Aquarius, available as a free PDF from forgottenbooks.com.
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Re: Alchemy
By: / Beginner
Post # 19
If you wish to make the philosopher's stone yourself, I suggest you read the Book of Aquarius. It can be download from forgottenbooks.org for free.

Blessed Be,
Sliverwind
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Re: Alchemy
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Post # 20
I have heard of the philosophers stone and about those who have try to make it, I do believe the philosophers stone is real and what it can do; Since most chemist study alchemy and its existence is more confirmed every time they search for it.

In my opinion I do believe its exist and that its being created but in secret.
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Re: Alchemy
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Post # 21
Ave,

I am a beginner to Alchemy but the "Philosophers stone" is an operation in alchemy.

Gold=Sun
Lead=Saturn

In hermetic beliefs the Saturn body was this one, the physical. The one that resided in Assiah the fourth Qabbalistic World.

The Sun was the immortal body, the final one.

The Philosphers stone is the alchemists journey between one to another, and in the end it is Immortality.
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Re: Alchemy
By: / Novice
Post # 22
Lark is correct, Alchemy is the process of obtaining enlightenment through the study and application of hemetic philosophy. The philosophers stone never existed and Alchemy has nothing to do with turning lead into gold.
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Re: Alchemy
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Post # 23
The philosipher's stone isnt an object but what it does is technically possible. Taking the matter of an object, breaking it down, and reditributing it into another object is in theory possible but you would need and object with the exact same matter amount as the wanted object. The technology to do this act hasnt been invented yet and may not ever be made because it has no advantage. Therefore it is impossible untill somebody creates the technology to alter matter and also divide it equally.
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Re: Alchemy
By: / Novice
Post # 24
Clearly we owe a great deal to the practice of Alchemy. It is, after all, the root of modern chemistry, pharmacopeia and, to an extent, medicine. Its influence is also felt in physical sciences to an extent. However, few really understand the origin and driving forces of alchemy. There is a trend today to focus on making the ‘Philosophers Stone’, transmuting lead into gold, and creating potions of immortality. Most people do not understand the true meaning behind these stories and teachings. I hope that this brief introduction will help to clarify things a bit.

The practice of alchemy in a physical sense has been around almost as long as man. Much of the work on medicines, pigments and other practical uses were developed in ancient Egypt. In Egypt, however, spirituality and magic permeated all aspects of life. Therefore, while these sciences were used to make physical medicine, there was also a spiritual meaning. Obviously if there is healing taking place, there must be spiritual development which initiates the healing. These technologies encountered Greek philosophy, Gnosticism and hermeticism, and traveled with the Egyptians and Greeks throughout Egypt and Syria. Spreading to Islamic peoples, texts were translated from Greek to Arabic. Islam’s embrace of science caused rapid advances in alchemy, and it also supplied influences from India and China. In 1144, the first of the alchemic texts was translated into Latin. Alchemy flowed over Europe, and was a respected science through the end of the seventeenth century, when it was phased out in favor of the more scientific chemistry. In the late nineteenth and early twentieth century’s interest in alchemy for its spiritual, psychological and healing aspects.

Everyone will agree that the work of the alchemist was to change ‘lead’ into ‘gold’. This is true, although not as everyone may think. Much of ancient alchemical and magical texts were written in code. ‘Gold’ was the perfected substance, and ‘lead’ was the raw materials. There are many different formulas for creating ‘gold’. Probably as many different formulas as there are alchemists, with good reason. The ‘gold’ may be a completed medicine, or oil, or whatever the alchemist was trying to create. As today, people paid well for their services and many were sponsored by nobility. Looking at this, it is easy to see where the gold came from.

All of this, however, was secondary to the alchemist’s true goal, which is to make the alchemical change on themselves. To take that raw material, that ‘lead’, that composes the human condition and transmute it into refined ‘gold’. Lead was seen as an overabundance of pure, unrefined Mercury, a little Sulfur and a heavy but porous Salt. Mercury, in alchemical ‘code’ is Spirit, Sulfur is the Soul and Salt is the Body. The Soul is the divine spark that is the cause of all life. The Spirit is the personality, the individuality that the soul clothes itself in to experience this life, and the Body is, of course, the physical body and the world we live in. All of these qualities originally come from Materia Prima, the Prime Material. In alchemical terms, Sulfur is what boils, an oil; Mercury is whatever rises as fumes, a liquor; and Salt is whatever is left in the ashes. This gives a good indication of the qualities of Spirit, Soul and Body.

Through the alchemical process the Mercury, Sulphur and Salt are separated from the ‘lead’, balanced and refined, and then recombined in proper balance to form ‘gold’. This process of refinement works on the physical existence, on the personality (intellectual and emotional levels) and on the spiritual breaking them down, working on them to make sure they function at their highest capability, and rebuilding. This is done to each element individually and with specific order. First, they worked on their physical world. They perfected their outer ‘gold’, securing a means of supporting themselves. They used their skills to heal and help others, improving the world around them. Then they worked on themselves, becoming more educated, more compassionate and more balanced in their emotions. Finally, they worked toward the spiritual goal of refining themselves to be more in harmony with that divine spark. When this is all done, they are integrated, creating the new and improved ‘golden’ self. This new self is the Philosophers Stone.

As you can see, the science of alchemy had both an outer and inner meanings. Many myths and misconceptions have sprung up about alchemy, and with good reason. Still, there will be those who say that changing lead into gold is possible. This is highly unlikely, as lead has a lower number of neutrons than gold, so you would have to do that kind of an operation inside something like the Sun. However, it is possible with a process called slow neutron bombardment to take mercury, with a higher atomic number than gold, and knock off neutrons from the mercury atoms, changing them to gold isotopes. This was first done by a Japanese scientist in 1924 named Hantaro Nagaoka. The process produces a radioactive isotope of gold. Not something you want laying around. Also, the process costs WAY more than what you get out of it in gold. If you use a fast moving neutron bombardment, such as in a supercollider, the mercury will be transformed into stable gold. Again, however, the cost of doing so still a lot more than what it would gain from selling the gold. To those that still hold to the notion that the Philosophers Stone will bring you immortality, I refer you to The Epistle of Maryanus, the Hermit and Philosopher to Prince Kahlid ibn Yazid which states that the Philosophers Stone can cure the illnesses of matter and men. That is a far cry from immortality.

I truly hope this helps to bring some clarity and understanding to a subject that has been twisted by popular fiction into something that alchemists of old would find laughable at best and insulting at worst.

Works referenced in writing this article:
Brian Cotnoir, The Weiser Concise Guide to Alchemy. 2006. Weiser Books. Califorinia.
Frater Albertus, The Alchemist’s Handbook. 1974. Samuel Weiser, Inc. New York.
Israel Regardie, The Philosopher’s Stone. 1970. Llewellyn Publications. Minnesota.
Morienus, A Testament of Alchemy. 1974. Trans. Lee Stavenhagen. Brandeis University Press. A translation of The Epistle of Maryanus, the Hermit and Philosopher to Prince Kahlid ibn Yazid.
Paracelsus, The Hermetic and Alchemical Writings of Aureolus Philippus Theophratus Bombast, of Hohenhiem, called Paracelsus the Great. 2 Vols. 1967. Edited and trans. A. E. Waite. University Books Inc. New York.
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Re: Alchemy
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Post # 25
sounds like Nicholas Flamel and his wife Pernelle Flamel who found a book filled with ancient knowledge that is thousands of years old and one of the pages shows how to turn metal to gold and such
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