Loki-Ban

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Re: Loki-Ban
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 15
As I understand it the runic inscriptions date back that early, but documented history of the region appears after christian missionaries moved into the area.

It's entirely possible earlier histories were destroyed as well, but... hard to say without more such documents.

Thank you for the points of view on Loki. I was just curious as to the perspective on that.
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Re: Loki-Ban
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 16
Someone I know was talking about it and calls Loki the schroeder's cat of Norse deities, which to me sums it up pretty well. :P
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Re: Loki-Ban
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 17
I was just pointing out that the best written record of Norse mythology and the one that speaks of Loki being bound (the Eddas) was written after Christianity had steeped into the culture, therefore the stories could have been influenced by Christian views, causing Loki to appear as a villian due to his darker nature. His imprisonment is resonant of (Greek) Prometheus and the consistent habit of "sinners" being imprisoned and tortured in Christianity, and the idea that the dead sit in their graves until the apocalypse.

It seems out of place to me from the rest of the Norse mythology. Baldr could be a sort of "Jesus" and Loki taking the place of Satan/Devil/Hades has him killed. Then for his deeds, Loki is trapped and tortured until the end of the world where he will be released and fight against the gods, and then die. It doesn't seem like Loki to desire to permanently hurt his brother Odin by killing Baldr and preventing him from being brought back. He was a trickster, not a great evil warrior. He ran from them when he knew they were coming after him so why stand up and fight against them all later? He is of intelligent chaos, a trouble maker for sure, but not an adversary. And I definitely don't think he would desire to fight a battle he knows he will perish from.

I believe Loki's story was altered over time and isn't 100% what it was when the culture was still pure. Most mythology remains consistent with personality but the Eddas seem to take a different direction towards the end. And Loki was thrown under the bus at the end. I like to take into account the stories where Loki isn't the center of attention. I believe those are less likely to have been altered over time.

I do hope they discover older texts that explain the mythologies of the Norse people. I would be incredibly interested to read such a thing. Unfortunately, for now, we can only go off of what we have and use our own personal experiences working with the deity/archetype to decide for ourselves what Loki is all about.
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Re: Loki-Ban
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 18
I completely agree with that viewpoint, White.
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Re: Loki-Ban
By: Moderator / Adept
Post # 19
I personaly believe that human mind tainted all the holly books of all nations and cultures either with purpuse to fit their agenda or either someone just got the things wrong in translation .Then another folks take a stand declaring the scriptures for absolutely authentic and coming from the Divine forcing them stubbornly and rejecting any other interpretation of them .Reasonong with such people is extremly hard because they have taken over the authority to say what is wrong and what is right to be done .I find outrageous that human being put a ban of honoring a Deity in certain events .We as humans should have known better and looked what happens when we try to ban our own darkness by hiding in under the carpet .Hiding from and putting ban on "dark " and chaotic things only create opposite effect than the desired .I am sure Loki himself had good laugh on entire story it is rather ridiculous .It is also arrogant to decide you have the right to tell people that they can not honor or worship whatever they need to honor or worship .
The entire situation with this ban is rather puzzling to me .
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Re: Loki-Ban
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 20
I have an update for those who care: The troth has officially announced that at the Trothmoot Grand Sumbel,blots and certain KAP events- Loki is not to be honored on the grounds and those events will remain Loki-free. Private shrines may be made to Loki, outside of troth related events, and personal devotion at ve shrines may be done in privacy. Im a little upset with all of this, to be honest. If Lokeans and Loki-supporters wanted to honor Loki in private we would simply do so from our homes and not bother with the troth at all. This is a giant step backwards. The troth has now drawn a clear "black and white" line where previously there had never been one. They claim to be keeping the "frith" within the organization- but the way they are doing this is by cutting out devoted members of the community. Sad day for Heathens.
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Re: Loki-Ban
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 21
I had heard about that. It was indeed somewhat disappointing.

And thank you for that perspective White, I hadn't considered that.
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Re: Loki-Ban
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 22
This thread has been moved to Heathenism from Misc Topics.
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Re: Loki-Ban
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Post # 23
Personally, I still think Himself shows up.
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Re: Loki-Ban
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Post # 24
He will only show up and cause mischeif after his follwers have gone as not to get them caught up in or witness what he has in store for their lessons as we have already seen such strife, and loving us as his babes he will shelter and protect us.
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