So many ppl don't belive in magic and other stuff.And i read on forum and on spells you only need to belive and it will work.No matter how much i belive only 1 spell worked(Warmup body) for me and everyone says u can fly etc.So if all that is real why then anyone record it for youtube flying shapeshifting levitating etc. Or be on news? And if magic is real so monsters are too ? Ghost,demons,angels ? I don't belive it its true because there will be videos on youtube and everyone would talk about it.Please give me one normal reason or proof that magic is real ?
Re: Magic YES or NO
By: mikoking / Novice Jul 21, 2015
Post # 2
Magic is most assuredly real, although I believe you have been fed a misconception on the matter. Flying, shapeshifting, etc are things that, to my knowledge, are not possible in the material plane of existence. If you want to learn magic, I would advise first ascertaining what you want from it and why you want to learn it. If you want to be Harry Potter, or Gandalf, then you will be disappointed. If you are looking for the real thing, then I would advise finding a teacher to show you the first steps on a life long journey of growth and self discovery.
First of all, what do you think magic is? It's nothing like in the movies. Magic has limits, you can't fly, shift shape, stop time, control the elements, powers of any kind, or anything that it against the law of nature. Spirits, demons and angels are all real, depending on your beliefs on what they are. The monster thing, I guess some of them are real, like fairies and dragons, but not physically, spirit like. Werewolves and vampires aren't real. Magic is real, but its not a 100% guarantee. The spells your doing is probably are not real, like "get ice powers", or "control the wind". No one can't have powers like that and you can't control the elements. A other reason why your spells are not working because you probably didn't learn the basics of magic and you probably didn't waite long enough for the spell to work.
I must say, I resent the statements that flight and shape shifting aren't real. Author Emma Wilby, who did two separate studies on the Shamanic undertones of European Witchcraft, has stated that such activities were commonly done via what is called the soul flight. Such flight or shape shifting was usually only performed as a means to attend the "Witches' Sabbath." Naturally, this was not a physical event, but happened in what I call the "other-place." I suggest the original poster look into the works of Emma Wilby and Carlo Ginzburg.
Re: Magic YES or NO
By: Lark Moderator / Knowledgeable Jul 21, 2015
Post # 6
Of course there is a vast difference between shape-shifting on the physical plane and shape-shifting done during Shamanic trancework. The former is not possible with or without magic. The latter, shape-shifting in dreams or trance is possible. However, the original poster was interested in magic to physically change into something else and that remains beyond the realm of possibility.
Traveling to the "Witches' Sabbat" as described by the authors you mentioned is not a matter of physically shape shifting or actually flying. It is talking about the use of halluncinogens to give the feeling, but not the reality, of flying.