My thought exactly. I always thought that Alaxander Gram Bell also figured out how to direct energy through specific paths. It's thanks to him we are able to write on this pretty little forum right now.
In physics, energy is a property of objects which can be transferred to other objects or converted into different forms, but cannot be created or destroyed.
All of the many forms of energy are convertible to other kinds of energy, and obey the conservation of energy. Common energy forms include the kinetic energy of a moving object, the radiant energy carried by light, the potential energy stored by an object's position in a force field,(gravitational, electric or magnetic) elastic energy stored by stretching solid objects, chemical energy released when a fuel burns, and the thermal energy due to an object's temperature.
Re: My Theory of magick 2 By: Brysing Moderator / Adept
Post # 33 Apr 30, 2015
If you depend on Wikipedia for your knowledge there is no point in continuing this thread. One last point. Electricity is made by using energy; it is not, of itself, energy.
If you don't like Wikipedia then maybe the Oxford Dictionary is more to your tastes! " Electricity: A form of energy resulting from the existence of charged particles (such as electrons or protons), either statically as an accumulation of charge or dynamically as a current."
Or maybe Websters Dictionary?
elec·tric·i·ty
i-lek-tri-s-t, -, -tris-t
noun
: a form of energy that is carried through wires and is used to operate machines, lights, etc.
: electric current or power
: a feeling of excitement or tension
Full Definition
plural elec·tric·i·ties
1 a :a fundamental form of energy observable in positive and negative forms that occurs naturally (as in lightning) or is produced (as in a generator) and that is expressed in terms of the movement and interaction of electrons
b :electric current or power
2 :a science that deals with the phenomena and laws of electricity
3 :keen contagious excitement
Examples
First Use: 1646
Other Electrical Engineering Terms
Regardless, to state electricity and the 'energy' used in magic are comparable is a faulty statement. Electricity, kinetic energy, gravitational potential energy can all be measured. The 'energy' used in magic cannot be measured.
When physicists speak of energy they speak of a natural phenomenon which can be calculated and measured. They study the physical world.
You cannot measure the energy used in magic by physical means and it is certainly not the same as energy spoken about in teh realm of physics.
Most magical practitioners would use the term 'subtle energy' when describing the energy used in magic. This energy is not the same as kinetic etc, Freud called it the libidio, Reich called it orgone, the yogis called it prana, the chinese call it chi. None of it has been scientifically proven like other energies because the energy itself does not exist in the physical world in a tangible sense, rather the subtle, interior subjective world which cannot be measured.
Of course there are those who also do not believe such energies to exist. Having worked with Reichian techniques, yogic techniques and experienced it for myself I must beg to differ with them, however, I must also accept that I cannot prove anything.
That is the point- magic is subjective, individual. You cannot prove one person's own magic to another, you can swap experiences, but experience means nothing to the other person until they have experienced it for themselves.
Bingo!!!!!! Well said! However just because we cannot classify something scientifically does not mean it does not exist. But yet Crowly defined magick as the art and SCIENCE of creating change in accordance with will. Science follows certain rules or laws. Perhaps magical energy does as well. It is the general consensus of most rational, sane people on this site that you can't change one thing into another. That's a rule of law. It's also a general consensus of many that the hermetic principle of as above so below. So if physical energy behaves along certain lines why wouldn't magick energy? Or if magick energy behaves under certain laws why doesn't physical?
Also Id like to add a note. I'm not out to prove anything. I'm engaging in intelligent discussion designed to make myself and other think and maybe learn a few things/challenge the norm/make their own decisions and theories!
Crowley was talking about his own system of magick, not everyone else's system of magick, when he wrote that definition.
He practiced magic in a 'scientific manner' attempting to incorporate empiricism into his practices. He called his version 'Scientific Illuminism'. It has absolutely nothing to do with magick as is practiced outside of the ceremonial magic and in particular Crowley's own system.
Most magical practitioners who visit this site do not practice Crowley's system, and thus that definition does not necessarily apply to them.
Crowley's 22 theorems of magic (may have that number wrong) are good principles to follow in all paths. But a lot of paths do not incorporate scientific method, they are dogmatic and place emphasis on belief rather than skepticism and merely writing down the experience without concluding either way.
Crowley explicitly states he is talking about his own system, I would arguably say most of the modern systems do not resemble his own in rationale, technique, or principle.
I don't think the system matters! If all magick comes from the same source then it don't matter wether it's Voodoo, elemental, Divine, ceremonial, hedge, ect ect!
Those paths do not believe magic comes from the same source. Regardless Crowley's definition refers to his system. Every system should have their own definition, in fact every person should have their own definition!
Those paths do not believe magic comes from the same source. Regardless Crowley's definition refers to his system. Every system should have their own definition, in fact every person should have their own definition!
