First, you need to think about your objective. What kind of curse? There are many different forms of curses. There are bad luck spells, nightmare spells (those might work I'm not positive), death spells, and vengeance spells of other sorts. you need to ask yourself what kind of curse you want first.
The most important thing you need to think about before preparing a curse is that the Universal will always balance itself. There are powerful forces whose sole purpose is to ensure that balance is maintained (such as Kharma), and those forces have champions who who do not take the casting of curses lightly. If you are going to curse someone, keep in mind such laws as the Law of Three. If you do not make sure to work an equally powerful and proportionate blessing, or combination of lesser, before you work your spell you can be sure the Universal will see your results returned to you threefold.
Once you have that understanding down, just as Carmen above said, you have to think about what you want your outcome to be. You cannot "just curse" somebody, the intention needs to be specific. Then you move on to writing the spell being sure you will be harnessing the proper energies.
By: Vanitys_Fire Moderator / Knowledgeable Nov 02, 2012
Post # 4
Unless the individual in mind personally believes his/her self in "karma" or the law of threefold return, there's really no need to mention it like it's some sort of totalitarian decree. Not every one believes in such things. And it sure doesn't apply to every one whether believed by each individual or not. There are systems of magick that originate as a form of cursing - such is Nidhing poles or Galdr. Both examples of which completely defy your first statement in the matter of powerful forces such as kharma that create balance.
Aside from steps that have already been mentioned, it's also good to make sure you are in the proper state of mind for doing a cursing. As well as having the proper emotions for doing a cursing. Both of which will significantly affect your spell for being stronger, weaker, or not work at all. Your curse could be as simple as building up energy fuelled by intent/purpose, emotions to strengthen, and send out the energies with a direction to location in mind; letting the universe take it from there after releasing said buildup of energy. Or you could make it more complex such as spoken words (which you would have to be very careful in your wording and speaking of said words), the usage of any number of multitudes of tools by your choosing, and so on. You could even taking a working curse and tweak it to your own specifications to cast. There's many, many ways to go about a spell casting - whether for cursing or some other intent.
Do not take this as an attack on your beliefs. Your beliefs and your ways are your own and I do not question or judge you personally. Take this as a defense to your attack on my ways.
Your own reasoning undoes itself. Most likely your words are just not as clear as your intention, but from what I understand your claim that the belief of the individual determines whether they are affected by Kharma or not also makes the entire concept of cursing an individual invalid because all they must do is not believe in curses in order to be immune to them. That sounds like a nice, safe way to live life: blissfully ignorant.
You also mention there are entire disciplines devoted to curses therefore there is no balance. Consider the many disciplines devoted entirely to blessing and tell me again the Universal has not balanced itself.
By your reasoning, and again I stress it may be a misinterpretation of your words, it sounds as though we can all work all the curses we want without condemnation as long as we believe those workings will never be balanced. By further extension we should all delve as deep as we can into those truly black and dangerous arts without constraint because there will never be any consequences for what we do. To that I say thee nay, there is always a reckoning for every action we make. Scientists call it Newton 's Laws The truly wise Craft Users call and understand it as the Law of Three.
Besides your attack on me, I do agree with everything else you mention. I also clarify to the rest of the forum that when I say balance curses with blessings, I speak only of one form of balance. When someone does you wrong and you curse them back-that can be a balance. I mentioned Kharma because that is my belief, but you can call it something else. My point is that a balance will be reached in the end, for good or bad. Only the wisest of us can truly predict how that balance will come.
By: Vanitys_Fire Moderator / Knowledgeable Nov 02, 2012
Post # 6
Your response (save for where you agree with may last part of my first comment) was entirely misconception. I never once attacked your belief at all. Your belief is your belief as my belief is my belief and that's fine. Not every thing can be blocked out by mere matter of belief. Whether you believe in cursing or not, you can still be cursed. But whether you believe in karma or not, does however determine the matter of affect on the individual. Karma or the law of threefold return is merely a belief. Whereas cursing (for example) is much more than a belief. And with what I mentioned about practices that are ORIGINATED as cursing practices, that's what they originated as. That does not mean by any means that they are singularly devoted to being the one practice. Take Galdr for example. The practice of invoking/singing of runes that originates in practice for cursing has been adapted to be much more than cursing. You can use runes for any number of reasons: healing, protection, prosperity, and so much more than mere cursing. They are even used in a form of divination: runecasting. Thus my point: origin does not by any means necessarily mean devotion. As far as balance is concerned, I believe in balance far more than you appear to give me credit for. My own concept of balance does not come from a belief of karma, but comes from divine influence as well as the actions of the individual. For example of divine: the Norse God of change and balance Loki. He whom causes change in many ways that causes balance and/or leads up to balance. Examples of individual actions: working with all chakras equally; working negative and positive magicks equally. I can go all day on things I personally do my self in means of balanced practice.
I like curses. They really bring out the fundamentals in metaphysics. The more you dabble in something like curses, the more you learn. You can do just about anything you put your mind to. You don't need tools, necessarily, because you can sit there and visualize certain correspondences, and think of chants in your head, while your project those thought forms onto the person, and intend what you want to happen. Generally, if you are upset at a person, I would say you have enough of that malicious energy to make a few things happen.
To cast an evil spell, look how to draw the hexagram in the air, and invoke planetary powers and various deities, then go to work on the visualization and strong intent, within.
As far as curses go, it is what you believe in, what works for you, knowing that what you do and think can make change. Well, curses, I have seen some stay on a person. For instance, if you cast a spell on a person; such as, a curse, that curse could be on them for as long as that person lives.
I had one curse sent back to me. Well, sort of. It was nothing though, because I know that person that sent it back didn't know how to amplify anything, but she was a gifted "projectionist." She was a backstabbing Pisces of an old friend, who has made me hate anyone who portrays the fox. Swiper no swippen! I am not very fond of people who only come to kill, steal and or destroy.
You can send out a malicious bolt of energy onto someone, by simply being frustrated about them, but I think that evil-eye gift comes with being in the craft. I don't think the evil-eye will amount to a curse, in the way it would if you cast an evil spell using correspondences. The evil-eye, when you throw out that sort of energy and project, and say your anger with words, may only cause the person to get hurt, in some sort of way, or they may just lose their mind for the day or two. Yup. That is why I say curses really bring out the fundamentals in metaphysics. There is so much to learn from curses.
Aside from curses. One day, I was playing dodge-ball, and it felt like someone was looking at me, with promiscuous eyes, and I felt like passing out. Energy is not always wanted energy. I felt dizzy, then I looked around to catch a young woman looking at me. I caught her.
Depending on what correspondences you apply, and what type of household the person lives in, what time you cast and how much energy you put into it, a curse should do its job and stick. I say that, and I am coming out of the box, and god I wish I was a Leo when I say this, when you cast a curse, using a hex, it will usually stick. I have cast one curse that put a person in the hospital for two weeks, then had health problems ever since, but she recently had the curse lifted from her. I know she had the curse lifted from her, because I saw cleansed from her, and I can see it. So I guess the question is, you know how to cast a curse, but how do you lift it?
The great thing about metaphysics, is that the ball game is almost exponential because there are so many different variables to incorporate; such as, paradigm shifts. For instance, the best time to curse someone is when they are in "sin city," because that is when they are off their guard, being the most susceptible. I take variables in from everywhere, even from the Holy Bible! Amen! Praise the Lord! I have no shame. Shame holds us back from jumping around, and I am going to let the Lord know it. He knows it. :)
When I consider a curse, I usually try to reason with the party, then if not, I dust my feet off, and say, "Mitakuye oyasin," depending on my tone of voice, it varies, then walk out. I always say that term for many things, but it depends. I like to think of it as my witch's speaking tongue.
I remember one curse that where an owl tried running into the party's window. An owl came running into the party's window that night, when I cast a particular spell. Another thing you learn is omens. Yup, and you better believe it. Amen (Let it be so). ;)
I found the best time to cast a curse on someone is when they are in their very game of their life style that got them into trouble, especially when they are under some sort of influence. If the person is spiritually open enough, in the ways of the craft, you can make that person calapses to the ground, with just your mind. You simply use a thought form, putting a black box around them, and then they fall. It is actually the funniest thing to watch, but only funny, because I tell them about it later, but I also give them the right energy to get back up.
You can also infuse and project a dark energy into a cigarette that you will hand to a person, and watch them sort of lose their mind, or have something bad happen to them. You can do the same thing with drinks or food that you handle for a person; it will do the same thing. That very same concept of projecting energy into an object is also applied into when you are casting a curse, except that a curse is using one of the two main correspondences: hexagram or pentagram. Take a good look at the banishing rituals of the pentagram and hexagram, because they speak for themselves, intuitively. You counterclockwise then clockwise, to close everything up, when I cast something offensively. Yup, and you better believe it
The other day, I heard my stepfather talking about how his legs were cramping up. Well, he normally ticks me off, and when I handed him his herbal supplements, I infused and projected a black toxic energy into his medicine.
One time I made a person text me back, when we were fighting, so that she wouldn't stand what she did to me, by drawing and visualizing the hexagram in the air, and chanting whatever came to mind, and as I did it, I blew with my breath various colors, as the energies, right into the last text that she gave me. Then a few minutes later she text me back and said she couldn't stand "it," then we kiss and made up. I just drew a regular hexagram, knowing it serves as a portal, then used my breath as symbolic source of energy, while I visualized and chanted. "The chant worked." LOL!
I actually go to church all that I can, on the weekends, or when there is a special preacher in town, to test my talents. The reason is, if you take a witch and put that witch into that church, it is like two opposing forces at work. Some spirit filled Christians, can feel the effects of the thought forms I project upon the congregation and on the speakers, and some even claim to have seen red snakes crawling around, when they closed their eyes. Even Christians have their own third eye, the same as us witches have ours. I go to church to practice my vampiric powers, and I can say that because it is something I know of and about, and it is something that is mine to keep. All the creative thought forms, projections, do work, when you are working with people who are primarily joined together by their own spirituality. You can simply curse an individual by giving them something, or handing them something, and projecting something into it, while saying something under your breath, then watch the effects. I have seen some people that had to get ministered to, because they touched the very things that I either projected upon, or handed them, with my spiritual influence and intent in mind. Ironic a psi-vampire that goes to church, spirit filled churches, to play games with the Holy Ghost, is basically what I do, but I am just normally their to test my talents and to be a watcher for all that goes, because I don't like preachers that aren't respectable for my native people (First Nation's People), and I learn new skills and make that confirmation on what I can do.
This one time, I was psi-feeding from the crowd, then the spirit filled Pentecostal preacher knew what I was doing, because he all of a sudden changed what he was talking about. He started to talk about how everyone should be hungry for the Holy Spirit, and making a gesture of feeding from a big bowl, and had everyone else copy him. He was making a parody of what I was doing, by showing and telling everyone else to feed from the Holy Ghost. Then there are times, I actually take the time to bow my head in respect, because although I am not Christian, I still need to pay homage to the One.
The spiritual law and rule is this. When you have an object or someone of spiritual significance inside a house or a room, no matter what you do or how much you chant or pray, it still is in that room and has its grounds for spiritual effect. In other words, in order for my vampiric projections and influence to decease and desist, I would have to be thrown out of that church, or the christians would have to discern me, for who and what I am, then demand and bound the spiritual influences and power that I have within me. Other than that, I don't think anyone would have the guts and the discernment to come forth and say or do anything against me or for me.
There are a multitude of reasons why curses work, in the way that they do, and how they work, but some people aren't willing to hear it. I guess arrogance's kissing cousin is ignorance. Does that sound like a snake to you? "Sss-sss-sss." Arrogance. . . Ignorance. . . LOL! I can tell you all of these things, but just how do I know my stuff will have to come with my own stories. So, here you go and let it be.
Well, with me, specifically, everyone has their own taste on working curses. I lay my seeds while you are sleeping, metaphorically and actually speaking. Now, the sound of silence, "Sss-sss-sss. . ." LOL!
Vanity, you and I are making the same argument against each other only with different words. We both are saying that the Universal must reach a balance some way, some how. I listed Kharma as an example of A balancing force, whereas you speak of Loki as the balancing force. Regardless of what we decide in our own ways to call the balancing force, we agree that -some- force or forces do exist.
Even this argument is being balanced as we continue.
The one thing we disagree on is your lack of consistency. I cite the Law of Three and you say it cannot apply to you if you do not believe in it, yet you then say curses will affect you regardless. If you truly do believe the Law of Three has no power on the unbelieving, surely you must have some other way of explaining the common adage "what goes around comes around." By this I am not saying "you must believe in the Law of Three." Rather I am implying that you use a different belief or terminology to convey the same thing. From this furthering of definition I can understand where your consistency lies, hidden beneath your blatant trampling of my words that were offered as example to define underlying laws.
Once again, each may call it what they will, but the important lesson here is that there will -always- be a balance for -every- spell we work on another.
By: Vanitys_Fire Moderator / Knowledgeable Nov 02, 2012
Post # 9
Interesting enough. You keep trying yo say that in some way I believe in some form of return law. I don't. The law of threefold reutn does not affect me. I do not believe in "what comes around goes around." Both of which - along with any form of how things come back on you - have not applied to me. So why believe in what doesn't affect me? It'd be pointless to. So none of what you said has any good use to prove any point in any matter. And as far as the Loki example I gave, you still misinterpret that to make your own point. You take what I say and use it out of context. Yes, I may have given a brief and highly unspecified example concerning Loki, but that does not by any means confirm what you said on that matter. And truth be told: we aren't on the same level of belief in balance; as much as you would love to say we are to justify your schtick. Now, back to to karma. I believe in karma for what it truly is; not what modern day society makes it out to be.
Please, don't go cursing people at random the minute you feel disrespected. If someone hurt you and you feel like you can't do anything but a curse have at it. That is YOUR way of restoring balance to your life. The Universe will balance lives through mysterious ways. You may get a sign to 'curse' someone if they broke into your home, or a physical altercation, and out of nowhere you just get the idea to perform a curse. Only when you doubt yourself, in my opinion, should you not perform that type of magick.