well maybe it is what brysing have said to me before..
i've been asking him before about the "old days witchcraft" and this witchcraft was originated long before the history of aleister crowley, and the others begun..
"You say that what I have said about how the Earth works, and how the Universe works is like science? Yes, it is! Do you know the original meaning of the word ''science'' ?
It means knowledge.
That is what the original witches were seeking, knowledge. Females, the knowledge of what plants were edible, which had healing powers. The males would experiment, Alchemy. And that, my fiend, is the magic! "- i have quoted this from our conversations before..
well, i don't know if this is what you mean but i do hope i could help even just in a little way..