"That was not what I meant. Why are you paying attention to only one little scrap of each instead of, say, your entire Western astrology or your entire Eastern astrology?"
The answer there is so simple,because if i were to focus only on one in my argument,then you would use another as a counterback.I would say your born under the air element,to which you would state"But according to this system you'd be metal."
"There are no astrological systems which espouse the paying attention to only one planet or sign to the exclusion of all else.
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None have only one planet,butthere are only five elements.In western beliefs,you could only be born into one of the 5 elements.
"If the non-Sun planets and points and houses weren't important we wouldn't use them ".
True
" But it's importance is based upon the people who believe in it.For me knowing the western system is enough for me to not be faced by another system.The same would be said for the person who doesn't care about "The sun planets"
Re: Elemental Control By: RedChiron / Knowledgeable
Post # 72 Jul 23, 2012
"The answer there is so simple,because if i were to focus only on one in my argument,then you would use another as a counterback.I would say your born under the air element,to which you would state' But according to this system you'd be metal.'"
No. You are making weird assumptions about me that are seemingly based off of the notion that I'm trying to disagree with you.
I'm not. I've just been studying astrology for around 7 years and figured you might be interested in some of that knowledge. I will tell you whatever is true according to the astrological system we are speaking of. I'm not going to disagree and assert that something is metal-elemental unless it really is.
"None have only one planet,butthere are only five elements.In western beliefs,you could only be born into one of the 5 elements."
... That there are 5 elements does not at all indicate that you are born under any one of them. I know less about Eastern astrology, so I'm only speaking of Western astrology with this; all people have all four basic elements. Your astrology influences which elements you are more or less predisposed toward, but it deals with all of them and you absolutely positively do not have any single element from astrology because it is physically impossible for all planets and points to be in the same elementally associated signs.
" But it's importance is based upon the people who believe in it.For me knowing the western system is enough for me to not be faced by another system.The same would be said for the person who doesn't care about "The sun planets'"
... So your argument is essentially "as a person who knows nothing about astrology, I have every right to ignore over 90% of it and then come to ignorant conclusions based on this lone 10% that experts everywhere say should not be considered alone."
Here is a Western natal chart. Everything on it is important, and everything on it is elemental.
If you'd actually like me to explain your own elemental astrology to you, I can. Just ask Genesis, they sent me their information and thought what I sent back was actually pretty cool.
The question was what element she is born under,You disagreed about being born with an affinity towards any element,I challenged you.You are born under an element.Many system belief that.Surely you don't know all the systems,therefore you don't have all the answers.In order to avoid being gagged for going far out of bounds of this topic,i will stop.If the question arises as to why we started with thisargument,let it be stated that you basically called me an idiot for saying that you can be born into an element.
The question was what element she is born under,You disagreed about being born with an affinity towards any element,I challenged you.You are born under an element.Many system belief that.Surely you don't know all the systems,therefore you don't have all the answers.In order to avoid being gagged for going far out of bounds of this topic,i will stop.If the question arises as to why we started with thisargument,let it be stated that you basically called me an idiot for saying that you can be born into an element.
Ah..I finally finish reading the ridiculously long thread
I DISAGREE with your statement , TylorShiki .I am rather sure that there are no existing system that claims that you are born under a very specific element. The very most that they do claim from what i have experienced that some people are more inclined towards certain elements compared with others.If you can tell me any system that thinks otherwise , please do.
Also,I wish to point out that you didn't counter redchirion's post with any valid explanation with your latest forum post. You only reaffirmed your belief.Another factor i wish to point out is that the topics are still related and not totally changed and warped.They still have relation to one another and may be continued according to the rules of the site.You are nowhere near out of bounds as of yet.
And when did you get insulted of being stupid?I looked through all the posts of this year with the F3 computer search tool and found nothing.I don't think you should really be accusing him in my opinion
Re: Elemental Control By: RedChiron / Knowledgeable
Post # 75 Jul 24, 2012
"You are born under an element.Many system belief that.Surely you don't know all the systems,therefore you don't have all the answers."
Look, why are you saying that your sun sign dictates some element you are born under? If you're not just making this up cite a source that backs you up!
"And when did you get insulted of being stupid?I looked through all the posts of this year with the F3 computer search tool and found nothing.I don't think you should really be accusing him in my opinion"
I think what he means was when I said his argument involved coming to "ignorant conclusions" based on only a tiny portion of a very intricate system. Ignorance is not the same as stupidity though - I wasn't challenging his intelligence, I was saying he hasn't studied astrology.
List a souce okay here is one www.cafeastrology.com/articles/chineseastrologyzodiac.html then i can also go onto F.
then i can also go onto listing feng Shui which does show only 1 element too.I wish open mindness was given to everybody.Magic is based upon beliefs,how do you get anywhere without believing in possibilities.
Re: Elemental Control By: RedChiron / Knowledgeable
Post # 78 Jul 25, 2012
You apparently missed the part where I specified Sun, as in Western astrology, for that source.
I fully admit that I don't know enough about Eastern astrology to come to any sort of firm position. I do know that a lot of different signs and elements seem to be involved though. For example, we're not just year of the (blank); you also have a month, day, and hour too. Each sign has it's own element, but each span of time (year, month, day, and hour) also has a cycle of elements it goes through in addition to that. Like, Tiger is naturally a Wood sign, but I was born specifically in the year of the Fire Tiger. A friend 12 years older than me is a Wood Tiger, and another friend is a Water Tiger. And both elements are quite important as both elements are affected by the Feng Shui of a year, or at least that's what my Lilian Too books say.
Re: Elemental Control By: RedChiron / Knowledgeable
Post # 79 Jul 25, 2012
Also, that link does not say anything about you having one element, that's just an overly simplified version like you find on place-mats at Chinese restaurants.
To back up your position you need to find a resource which acknowledges all the signs/planets of an astrological system, but which explicity says only one of them is of importance or is of far greater importance than all the others.
