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The real deal or fluff
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This post is about the work of E.A. Koetting and why his methods are tried and true. The purpose of this post is to hopefully enlighten those of you out there who have never read his work or call him a fluff because of how you interpret his marketing on youtube. Yes there is a lot of controversy over this individual but he is far from the likes of Silver Ravenwolf which so many of you boldly claim.

His Writing Style:

How many grimoires can you truthfully pick up and say that everything within them is 100 percent correct? I can't think of one to be honest with you and the same applies to Koetting's work.

His personal accounts and how he describes his life is questionable at best but what else would you expect from a creative writer who just so happens to be a self proclaimed "black" magician? The personal life he describes deceives you into believing his methods are real because he went from a homeless drug addict to an alright guy who makes a decent living free from drugs. Is that who he is, a deceiver? Maybe, but who's to say that there isn't practical magical instruction hidden within the contents of his work?

You would find this hidden content if you actually read his books. His fantastical magical ascent allows the reader to visualize throughout the entire book. By keeping you in this state of mind your able to visualize, see and understand the meditations, rituals and more serious aspects of his books. His writing style allows you the reader to work through each one of his rituals in your head by painting a perfect picture on how the operation should look and work. His work challenges you to visualize whether you see it or not but the important thing is that you will know how to tap into that state of mind because he subconsciously trained you how to do it from the beginning. Most books on the occult don't do this. They are very dry instruction manuals at best and don't give you the opportunity to fully understand or visualize the rite or ritual for what it truly is.

His rituals and method to magick:

The Basics are the Foundation of his work. All of his spells and rituals require the operator to will, meditate, and visualize with a specific intent. The invocation of omnipotence is at the core of most of his rituals. This is achieved in heightened states of meditation which can be obtained in the most basic "white light" meditations or in more complex rituals like The Bornless Ritual. The key to this meditation is calling enough of this energy into the self so that it causes the rapture state. More on the rapture state can be found in this blog post. http://wisdomquarterly.blogspot.com/2010/05/rapture-rising-to-fourth-density.html

Finding yourself in the rapture state especially when it comes to evocation allows you the operator to behold the spirit that your calling forth. This meditation is not limited to this and you can apply it to just about anything magical including but not limited to shielding, consecrating magical tools, candle magick and much more. All of this is in his books but the point is that this is a valid method and is used frequently in his work as well as many others. With a little bit of intent you can achieve a lot with the rapture state.

His meditations, spells, and method to evocation is tried and true. There are many people out there who claim the impossible with his work. Shoot I've gotten amazing results from his methods but I'm not here to discuss bias and subjective accounts because that is what it truly boils down to. All I'm going to say is prove me wrong. If your adept and a skeptic then truly work through his system. If your not an armchair occultist and truly have the ability to do magick, then what do you have to loose?

Why you hate him?

Success begets jealousy. Sure his videos are outlandish at times and they are a marketing scheme to entice people into buying his products but what does that make him then? He's not a fluff. He's a magician who is also a businessman. He wanted to make a living with magick and I really think that's what really bothers most of you people who hate him. He succeeds in something you've failed at. The sad thing is he has given an open invitation to anyone who want's to debate him on his work and everyone who has a bad opinion of him wont step up and prove him wrong to the rest of the world. The truth is if you have herd him on any of his podcast videos you would know that he does in fact know something about magick and maybe what he's on to scares you. The other thing is he has broke magical application down into the most basic workable systems that anyone can use and enjoy. In result, this has lead to the notion of people canning the idea that tradition is essential for rites of evocation and other rituals. People in general are biased when it comes to tradition and simply don't like ideology that has the potential to change the core foundations of what their belief is built upon.

He isn't a Living God and I pity you for thinking that. Become a Living God is an idea and an aspect of the self that we should all strive for. If we are the masters and hold the keys to our own universe then wouldn't it make sense to strive for Godhood in all the aspects of our lives? It's just a thought.
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Re: The real deal or fluff
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Post # 2
Very informative. Thank You. I should point out, that regardless of how much truth or fact someone hides in fiction, it is still fiction at the end of the day. I have not read his books but after reading your post I would not want to.
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Re: The real deal or fluff
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His work is non-fiction.
Personal experience is subjective. The point is even if he isn't the person he has built himself up as in his books it shouldn't reflect the magical insight that is offered in his work.
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Re: The real deal or fluff
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Back when you could find Koetting's work in Hastings and Barnes and Noble his book would be next to the works of Aliester Crowley, Anton LaVey, Konstantinos, Thomas Karlsson, Michael Ford, John Dee and Edward Kelly,Ly De Angeles, John DeSalvo, and many more. The occult is sketchy and that's why it's listed as New Age even if it's non fiction. New Age is still going to be New Age at the end of the day no matter how you look at it. It's all a matter of what you can do with it and that's what you should be thinking about.
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Re: The real deal or fluff
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Crowley has a lot of fiction to him too. Can not stand Crowley. Some think Crowley is a God. I meant no disrespect to your belief in the guy. I just do not forsee learning from someone who is not straight and to the point. His experiences and opinions would get in the way of my learning. For the sake of argument I will look him up before dismissing him completely.
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Re: The real deal or fluff
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Re: The real deal or fluff
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Ok I looked him up and did not have to look far. As I stated previously Fiction mixed with even a grain of truth is still fiction. I think he is a con man, cashing in on Hollywood with his sensationalist claims. I did not dislike him before but now I do. As a serious practioner of magic, I can gain nothing from the nonsense he spouts. Sorry but it is fluffy fluff from what I can see of it. No disrespect to you as you can believe as you wish but I will not buy into nonsense.
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Re: The real deal or fluff
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I don't like E.A. Koetting, a friend of mine lent me a book they payed a lot for, I couldn't imagine why one would buy such works, it's not just his writing style which gets on my nerves, but just the need for attention and to be dark.

I personally enjoy Crowley's works they are layered with symbolism on top of symbolism. His writing style gets on my nerves and his egotism does so as well. Yet nowhere near as bad as Koetting, he had also had a lot more experience under his belt before writing books which were designed to teach.

We all have our opinions, you are entitled to yours. But I shall stick with my own thanks. I've seen Crowley's books with Silver Ravenwolf, they are also located near Kenneth Grant books- it doesn't mean the contents of the books are at all of a similar standard!
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Re: The real deal or fluff
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You guys are absolutely right, everyone is entitled to their own opinion of the guy. The point that I'm trying to prove is that his system works regardless of how he sells himself to the reader or the viewer. He's just an eccentric person.

All I'm saying is his system deserves a day in court, not his showmanship. Showmanship aside he really does present valid and workable systems in all of his books.

The people who work with his system should be judged on this site for his system not his showmanship and that's what I want to get across. People here, hear the name E.A. and assume "fluff" but only know him by his showmanship. That opinion is wrong because you haven't worked his system.





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Re: The real deal or fluff
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Post # 10
If it works for you, that is good. I just do not get anything from it. Let me put it this way: If an apple is covered in caramel it is an edible treat that still has nutrtion at its core. That same apple dipped in roofing tar is ruined. Oh the nutricious apple is still in there but the danger and mess of getting it out is not worth it. The apple represents magic in this example and this guy is dipping it in roofing tar not caramel. That is just how I see him. :-)
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