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Wiccan Rede
Post # 1
I am posting this because it seems that some people who claim Wiccan do not have a CLEAR understanding. I am not being malicious just informative
Guinn ~Blessed Be~

1. Bide the Wiccan Laws ye must In Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.

2. Live an? let live ? Fairly take an? fairly give.

3. Cast the Circle thrice about, To keep all evil spirits out.

4. To bind the spell every time ? Let the spell be spake in rhyme.

5. Soft of eye an? light of touch ? Speak little, listen much.

6. Deosil go by the waxing Moon ? Sing and dance the Wiccan rune.

7. Widdershins go when the Moon doth wane, An? the Werewolf howls by the

dread Wolfsbane.

8. When the Lady?s Moon is new, Kiss thy hand to Her times two.

9. When the Moon rides at Her peak Then your heart?s desire seek.

10. Heed the Northwind?s mighty gale ? Lock the door and drop the sail.

11. When the wind comes from the South, Love will kiss thee on the mouth.

12. When the wind blows from the East, Expect the new and set the feast.

13. When the West wind blows o?er thee, Departed spirits restless be.

14. Nine woods in the Cauldron go ? Burn them quick an? burn them slow.

15. Elder be ye Lady?s tree ? Burn it not or cursed ye?ll be.

16. When the Wheel begins to turn ? Let the Beltane fires burn.

17. When the Wheel has turned a Yule, Light the Log an? let Pan rule.

18. Heed ye flower bush an? tree ? By the Lady Blessed Be.

19. Where the rippling waters go Cast a stone an? truth ye?ll know.

20. When ye have need, Hearken not to others greed.

21. With the fool no season spend Or be counted as his friend.

22. Merry meet an? merry part ? Bright the cheeks an? warm the heart.

23. Mind the Threefold Law ye should ? Three times bad an? three times good.

24. When misfortune is enow, Wear the Blue Star on thy brow.

25. True in love ever be Unless thy lover?s false to thee.

26. Eight words ye Wiccan Rede fulfill ? An? it harm none, Do what ye will.
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Re: Wiccan Rede
Post # 2
There are many wiccan redes and they differ. So to say that there are many here who dont understand is a very bold statement and a broad generalization. I would be careful with that. The jist is the same. Do what ye will an it harm none. F.y.i. Not every one here is wiccan and definitly not perfect.
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Re: Wiccan Rede
By: / Novice
Post # 3

The Wiccan Rede isn't what you've posted. You've posted the Wiccan Credo or the Rede of the Wiccae .

The Wiccan Rede is simply, "An ye harm none, do what ye will".

The Wiccan Credo was written by Lady Gwen Thompson, who claimed that the original was written by her grandmother, Adriana Porter. The Wiccan Credo wasn't published until the 1970s, however there are claims it showed up a few years before this. This means that it wasn't in known existence until 1965 at the very earliest. It has also been suggested that she never got it from her grandmother, but rather created it herself and made up a granny story in order to gain some tradition behind her claim.

The Wiccan Rede was written by Gardner within the context of his Old Laws , however it was first alluded to in the mid- to late- 1950s. Much like with the rest of the religion he founded, it was claimed that he learned the information from the highly secretive coven that taught him about Wicca.

Reading the Old Laws against the Wiccan Credo might make more sense to you as to Gwen might have gotten some of her information.

Please remember that if you wish to correct someone, you should ensure that the information you are giving out is also correct.


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Re: Wiccan Rede
By: Moderator / Knowledgeable
Post # 4
This thread has been moved to Wicca from Welcome.
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Re: Wiccan Rede
Post # 5
i understand this i was have a conversation that turned into a debate about it and yes there are many forms of The Wiccan Rede i have merely posted one. the debate is what sparked this post
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Post # 7
thank you
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Re: Wiccan Rede
By: Moderator / Knowledgeable
Post # 8

As Satesat said, the first mention of the Rede in modern Wicca comes from The Ardanes or Old Laws published by Gerald Gardner in 1957 in which Gardner stated " So it is Ardane, that none shall use the Art in any way to do ill to any. how evermuch they have injured us. And for long we have obeyed this law. "Harm none" and nowtimes, many believe we exist not. So it be Ardane that this law shall still continue to help us in our plight. No one, however great an injury or injustice they receive, may use the Art in any to do ill or harm any. "

In 1959 in his book "Witchcraft Today" Gardner refers to a historical basis for the Rede in this quotation: " [Witches] are inclined to the morality of the legendary Good King Pausol, "Do what you like so long as you harm no one". But they believe a certain law to be important, "You must not use magic for anything which will cause harm to anyone, and if, to prevent a greater wrong being done, you must discommode someone, you must do it only in a way which will abate the harm ."

In 1964, Doreen Valiente, who was Gardner's first High Priestess addressed a group of Wtiches in Britain stating, "Demanding tolerance between covens as well as toward the outside world, Doreen spoke the Anglo-Saxon witch formula called the Wiccan Rede or wise teaching: "Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfil, An' it harm none, do what ye will."

Valiente's earlier book, An ABC of Witchcraft Past & Present , which was first published in 1973, had no specific entry for the Rede, despite introducing it in her 1964 speech. Chances are it had not yet "taken hold" in the early Wiccan "community" that was still largely segregated and coven-centric by 1973, and thus was not yet something established enough to be included in an encyclopedia of witchcraft. However in the entry on Basic Beliefs of Witches, the a variation of the Rede was mentioned as part of the discourse on the Witches' ethics:

Witches do not believe that true morality consists of observing a list of thou-shalt-nots. Their morality can be summed up in one sentence, "Do what you will, so long as it harms none." This does not mean, however, that witches are pacifists. They say that to allow wrong to flourish unchecked is not 'harming none'. On the contrary, it is harming everybody.

This is a perfect example of the perception of Wiccan ethics prior to the 1980's. Witches were not the epitome of "light and love" but rather real people who dealt with real situations, not afraid to get their "hands dirty" when necessary. Witches had a respect for life that was balanced with both its nurturing aspects and the harsh reality of the fight for survival. The Rede was a summary or point of reference, but not a complete ethical system in itself.

Gwen Thompson's version of the Rede was published in " Green Egg " magazine in 1974 and alledged to have come to her from her mother. Interestingly enough, Gwen, who was the founder of the New England Coven of Traditionalist Witches (NECTW) was not a Wiccan, nor was her coven a Wiccan group. Yet it is Thompson's version of the Rede which most Wiccans quote when they are referring to it. However, it seems very likely that Lady Gwen "borrowed" her version of the Rede from the writings of Gardner and Valiente.

In 1978 Doreen Valiente, in her book " Witchcraft for Tomorrow ", again mentions the Rede which she states was comprised of the words " Eight Words the Wiccan Rede fulfil: An it harm none, do what ye will. " She then, in the same book writes a far longer Witches' Creed which ends with the words:

" An Do What You Will be the challenge,
So be it in Love that harms none,
For this is the only commandment,
By Magick of old, be it done"

I would suggest the following websites as good references on the history and composition of the Rede:

I will point out here that the Rede is not a law. Rede is an Old English word meaning "advice" or "counsel". Nor does the Rede say that one cannot do anything that causes harm. In the archaic language of the Rede the word "An" should be read as "If". So what the Rede says is that you are free to do any action if it will not cause harm. But the Rede is silent on those actions which might cause harm, leaving that up to the situation and the ethics of the individual Wiccan.

I will also make mention that the Rede is something that is Wiccan in origin and practice. It does not have any impact on any other form of Pagan religion nor any other form of magical practice. That doesn't mean that other Pagan religions have no ethical codes at all, they most certainly do. But those other codes are not the Wiccan Rede.

As an aside, the version of the Rede quoted in the first post in this thread is attributed to The Servants of the Elder Gods in 1992. It can be found at

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Re: Wiccan Rede
Post # 9
Theres more then that 8 word version there's also an 8 line version.
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Re: Wiccan Rede
By: Moderator / Knowledgeable
Post # 10

The Rede is simply the eight-word version. Anything more than those eight words becomes something else such as the Creed or Credo.

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