By: thearean / Beginner Feb 22, 2014
Post # 1
So, this question has been bothering me for a while. During Ragnarok, it is said that Odin, Thor, Loki and a whole slew of other gods will die. But it is also said that Hod and Baldur will return to life. My question is, if Baldur and Hod come back from Hel, is it also possible that the gods who die during Ragnarok could do the same?
1- this prediction of ragnarok is man made so it doesn't half to come true
2- this protection has a fev inconsistentlys, gods are entaties, entaties cant die, or go to hell
3- to attack the gods would be to attack on a metaphysical level, if that is than we are safe, if it would be on a phyzical level than the gods would be safe
so ragnarok has so many inconsistentlys that it realy can never hapen, so I wouldn't wory aboat ragnarok, its just a legend, which will never come to pass, you can argue my opinion, but you cant argue my logic
p.s. A lot of this is magic 101, just because someone has a religion dosent mean that they should balive everything that the religion has to say
Re: After Ragnarok
By: Sataset / Novice Feb 23, 2014
Post # 6
Chaosedge, you are massively incorrect in one big way: gods do die and gods can go to "hell". Their version of death may not be the same as our version, nor will their version of hell be the same as our version of hell.
Several Kemetic deities wander through the Duat, which is mostly a hellish underworld, to the point that it is theorized that Christianity based their fire and brimstone hell off of the majority of the Duat. Wesir (Osiris) is a dead god by definition. He isn't living in any actual sense of the word, which is why he cannot exist outside of the Duat. However, because of the heka (magic) Aset (Isis) performed on him, he is not technically dead; he's a reborn being, he's neither alive nor dead. Other deities, such as Ra and Amun-Ra, are said to become dead whenever night falls and their barque (boat) journeys through the Duat and/or Nut's stomach (as she is said to eat the sun at night). They then go through a revival process where they become restful, then become active once more. This revives their strength for their battle at dawn with Ap4p (intentional spelling) and for the rest of their duties once this is fulfilled. As a sidenote, no living gods can live in the Duat, they can journey through it and aspects of themselves can reside in certain areas in it, however they can't live there and must resort to aspects which can. Such as when Heru-sa-Aset (Horus, the son of Isis) is forced to use his snake-form ka (spirit) to send a message to his father, Wesir. He can't go there himself because he's still alive.
Heathenry also has dead gods (as was mentioned in this thread), as do many other religious and spiritually religious organizations and people. I wouldn't knock something that you yourself don't understand and/or believe in.
Re: After Ragnarok
By: 0Ambrosia1 / Knowledgeable Feb 25, 2014
Post # 8
One interesting idea I've come across during my studies of the Eddas is that the story of Ragnorok is a Christian addition. Some scholars would contest, saying that Christian monks added the story to the mythos to bolster their number of converts. Something that people have to remember is that Snorri was more or less writing fanfiction when he scribbled down the Eddas.