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Transformation Theory
By: / Novice
Post # 1
Hello everyone ,
May i just begin with saying this doesn't support the transformation fluffy stuff that can be found on this site. This is only a theory and by no means will it take physical form. I have used Theoretical Biology and Anatomy.

I was thinking about this for some time after getting asked if i could turn someone in to a were-snake. I thought long and hard after giving the correct answer "no , This is impossible and defies the laws of science that which all matter is affected by" , whether if it could be hypothetically possible and what would happen if it did happen.

In the UK , Biology lessons are heavily centered around the knowledge of the basic plant and animal cell. So this is where my knowledge comes from. Not only that but many who know me on here , know that I'm quite a keen herbalist and botanist (Plant Biology).

So i was thinking about this in a logical and unfluffy manner. I came to the conclusions of :
- It is where possible you would need an immense amount of energy that humans or any plant or animal can harness to do such feats
- The fact that the DNA in all the cells would need to be changed and altered which could in turn affect the way in which the cells do their jobs.
- The power needed would simply be to much for the human body and we would basically fry
- The nucleus would be first to "die" with in the cell because that is where the DNA is held.
- If the nucleus "dies" the other components of the cell with stop working and the cell will die.
- The energy needed could actually cause all the cytoplasm in the cells to boil which in turn would "fry" the human in question and cause the cell to "Pop" or even "leak" the cytoplasm out in the process called osmosis , which is much like diffusion but in liquids (mainly water , but can take place in other liquids).
- This process will be out of synchronization , and will either allow to much water into the cell resulting in the "pop" or it will allow to much out which results in the "leak".

All in all you would basically die , and I should think it to be a slow death too.

I know that physical transformation is not possible , but as to the other realms of existence I can not say, for I don't work with them.

I would much like to here what everyone thinks of this , I've put a lot of thought into this.

I would like to say this once more that this is not proven and will never be proven , it is only hypothetical and theoretical. This is not supporting fluff but rather explaining to what i think could happen IF it was possible.

Thanks for reading
Lewis
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Re: Transformation Theory
By: / Novice
Post # 2

Interesting approach , the actual amount of energy needed to change cells in such a fast way which is not hereditery via offspring but in the actual developed body would be nuclear energy , nuclear energy is absorbed by the body on a daily basis through natural radiation , a part of that energy is not abosrbed and is believed to be one of the many factors in the formation of cancerogenous cells. Too much radiation in a short period of time causes radiation poisoning , which deteriorises DNA and causes a very slow and painful death , most victims die (depending on how severe it is) but a few survive , which causes their offspring to be born with large hereditery genetical issues and deformations.

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Re: Transformation Theory
By: / Novice
Post # 3
Well , i was also thinking about adding something like that but i thought id better leave it.
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Re: Transformation Theory
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Post # 4
If your talking about hybrid humans cross between human and anamal this has happend and is going on. There are goats with human cells wich make there blood and organs able to be used on humans. As far as playing god and createing new human like intellagent creatures we are hundreds of years from doing this with 100 percent controll of what it looks like what it can do and how advanced it looks. As far as human change shape shifting like a ware wolf if the world dosent destroy its self and science gets better id say 100 percent controll of this science would happen with in one thousand years.
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Re: Transformation Theory
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Post # 5

A very interesting line of conclusions you have there. Although I am no biology major, your theory checks out from what I can find from my knowledge.

There are species that can "transform" (take butterflies for example), but this transformation is already encoded within their DNA. Humans lack this coding, and thus, a change in the structure of our DNA would be needed to complete such a task. And even then, the transformation in no where close instantaneous, it takes upwards of weeks.

If you take Lewis's approach then as he said, you will die a slow and painful death. The energy would simply just be too much at one time for a person's body to handle.

If by some other way you inserted a string of DNA into the original string during the cell replication process, you would then need to find the correct sequence of Adenine, Guanine, Cytosine, & Thymine (The 4 main chemicals that are the essence of DNA) in order to "code" for such a mutation to occur. A feat that even science has yet to reach. (By my knowledge they can only change the DNA before the birth, correct? Not afterwards like it would require for an instant transformation.)

All in all, a good post. I would say your list is a good list to follow. Thank you for an informative read for a change.

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Re: Transformation Theory
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Post # 6
The goat thing mentioned above is technically an organ cloning farm and the have done the same with rats and the human ear. While cloning a human is against the geneva convention it is entirerly possible to clone a person with the desired changes if you can get over the morality problems of wether the clone is a piece of property belonging to the cloner or not and then the religious debate as to wether it has a soul or not.
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Re: Transformation Theory
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Post # 7
Hello, Im also a biology major (with a focus on Pre-Med). Ive developed a very similar theory. The main differences is that I also thought about what would happen in the nucleus wasn?t destroyed/damaged. It would likely damage some of the safeguards in DNA replication such as P53 which likely would cause a horrible case a cancer. This is how skin cancer can work. The UV rays damage safeguards which allow DNA to start replicating out of control, causing cancer. Another big difference is time for death. Depending on the desired change, For example if you wanted to have scales, I believe the speed of death would be near instant (in this case the larger area causes quicker death due to a larger area being damaged). As cells undergo rapid death do to the side effects to such massive amounts of energy , as you have listed them (holes in the Cytoplasm or damaged nucleus), the organs would begin to shut down. If the happens in the heart or brain (or really any other important organ) death would be rapid. I agree with you that it would be horrible painful. All in all our theories are very similar.
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Re: Transformation Theory
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Post # 8
Forgive me for the lack of order in this post, writing on phone. While i agree with you that just recklessly injecting a large amount of energy would destroy the cells, that doesn't have to be the only way to transform. In nature everything changes, that's natural. In theory, magick can be used to create specific changes to the genetic structure of the organism without it dying. I propose that perhaps instead of just injecting the energy in a manner which would obviously lead to death, it works similar to the DNA splicing tools of today, removing certain codes from the equation and replacing them with others to bring about the desired effect. Afterall, most of our body makeup is similar to that of other organisms and it would explain why in beliefs of transformation the person had to have something of the creature they wanted to transform into usually hair or blood, the person imitating certain parts of the organism's DNA. Now, is it actually possible? I don't know. This is because i've never bothered to try, yet. Anyways just wanted to raise up this possible theory.
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Re: Transformation Theory
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Post # 9
I can agree in theory, but look at in in this light magusstar. gene splicing works only in single cell organisms or in embryos. this is because it can only change the cell it that is spliced. while this cell can reproduce and spread the new trait it will never manage to spread enough. It may actially lead to a change which makes the body determine that cell as a invader which would initiate a immune responce. another way not yet mentioned on this thread, using a modified retrovirus and gene therapy may work, but again it would be small changes at best. otherwise the body would see itself as an invader and kill itself. also there is no known way to do either of the above using magick (I wont say its impossible but it is very unlikely, still more research is alway good) There was a thread on the site titled DNA (I think) that went into alot of this.
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Re: Transformation Theory
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Post # 10
True, the body might react in that way but I work with the belief that magick can do anything so i was thinking that it could "persuade" the body to accept the changes. The thing about theories is that they are not concrete. It would be better if someone with the scientific passion actually went out and tried to experiment to see if true or not.
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