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Voice Magick
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Post # 1
Hail,
I am new to this site, and one of my main reasons for joining was simply to research further into the topic of ?voice magic?. After a little thought, I theorized that perhaps some of the strength of incantations lies in the words themselves, and not simply the energy they focus. Perhaps there are some words that have energy inherent in them. Suppose you could have a method of knowing what these words were. If you did, you would be able to single out these words, discover their certain properties, and be able to use them as ?quick spells?, which do not require ingredients. This subject holds certain fascination for me, and I was wondering if I could have your thoughts, and experiences with the inherent energy of words, if it exists.

Additionally, I would also like to know if anyone would be interested in reviewing my experiments on this topic for me, to make sure no error was involved.

Krusyos
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Re: Voice Magick
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Post # 2
First I must point out that any symbol really can be used to harness and hold energy. Be it a picture, a sound, or a thought. So as I just stated words are symbols and expressions of our being and so would be a magickal aid.

Second I would point out that this is a correct idea in my opinion that you can use incantations but it is wise to look at the idea that it is not the words really but the frequency of the word that you use. I personally don't see any significance in the word OHM. But when you use that word accompined by the low base tone of the voice in which it is normally used then it produces a major effect in our minds and bodies.

Third this all leads into the idea that sound can be used to connect to magick as Gerald Gardner described in his eight paths to Gnosis of which I posted on awhile ago.
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Re: Voice Magick
By: / Novice
Post # 3
i know of people who believe you should say all your chants out loud, even if you're alone, or in public, it'll give it more power and conviction that you mean what you say. there have been studies on the effects of words, like someone would say 'love' or 'hate' to a plant, animal, water, so on, and see how they would react. for the most part, the result was the words rendered effects in behaviors and/or development. i read this one Japanese study on the forming of water crystals, the negative words created more jagged formations and the positive words more rounded. i'm not a 100% believer in positive vs negative word association, but it's still something to think about.

it's also a fact that when writing spells, you need to choose your wording carefully. while you could say 'may this spell drive him mad' the word 'mad' could mean insane, or it could mean angry. same goes for if you call upon a dragon and say 'burn away my enemies' you may say this because you think it's cool. the dragon will hear this and think 'burn them' if you don't specify. [it happens] words seem to stick with us longer than other things, not so sure why that is the case. also wonder why negative things, like someone in the third grade telling you they hate you, sticks with you longer than, say, your mom saying she loves you. don't know why, it just happens.

i guess the point to this ramble is say what you mean because your words have meaning and can effect pretty much anything. even if you prefer saying negative things, or positive, just know it's going to effect you. [karma and all that] granted, i would like it if i could just point at someone and say 'i hope you get chickenpox' and it happens. [yes, it's a reference] but with enough energy, and determination in your words, you could unknowingly cast something. [good or bad] so i feel we should always think before we speak. [it also helps people not look stupid lol]
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Re: Voice Magick
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Post # 4
You make some good points, but if words by themselves had power then why is it that so few people can (or know how to) use magic. I think words only have power that you place on them. With an incantation this means your intent behind the words, and what meaning the words have to you, controls the spell. If you don't think saying words will mean anything, then they won't. In the case of writing, the writer always places energy into their words (similar to how you can read an object's energy and tell its history). We, as mages, can utilize and control this effect to spread thoughts and ideas more effectively, at least in theory, I haven't proved it yet. For runes and symbols, I think that has to do with sacred geometry.
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Re: Voice Magick
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Post # 5
Good points, all of you.

Perhaps, however, I didn't make myself clear. I mean the use of words as raw energy manipulation. For example, the use of words or shouts to break and pierce the etheric, or energy body. I know that it is quite possible to cast spells this way, however, I am looking at it from a more "energy combat" perspective.

(In my own defense: Of course I don't believe you can do this to summon lightning bolts and fire balls, or whatever. I simply mean using your energy to strike out at another body of energy. Also in my defense: I don't plan on using any of my findings out of spite or hate for someone, but simply for the interest of learning them)

So, I hope I'm making some sense...
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Re: Voice Magick
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Post # 6
In fact, I just thought of a good example.

Before I proceed, I realize that Skyrim is a game, and that it's magic does not apply to real life.

However, I think the "thu'um" in Skyrim are a good example of what I am talking about, except with etheral instead of physical effects.
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Re: Voice Magick
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Post # 7
Hello, Krusyos
I must agree with you. Since we are the only animals on the plant who have the ablity to speak. There most certainly must words or phases so powerful that energy can be manipultaed and controled by the speaker.
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Re: Voice Magick
By: Moderator / Knowledgeable
Post # 8

The "thu'um" from Skyrim is actually based roughly off some real Norse traditional magick: galdr, for instance. In Norse tradition, breath is seen as sacred and imbued with magickal properties (due to the creation story). Thus, shouting, yelling, singing, chanting, or simply saying words is believed to have etheral, magickal effects. The whole practice of galdr is verbalizing something (whether it be the elongation of runes, or whatever variation you find yourself doing). Thus, I would say some practices do have what you could consider "voice magick".

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Re: Voice Magick
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Post # 9
I reinterate my beliefe that it is not the words themselves that are the magick but they contain the magick. Now if you were to use sound as energy you could theoritecly harm someone. My belief is as such because of the face that language is not a natural aspect of our creation. It is of our creation. We devolped it, we wern't born with it. So I believe that there is no magick inherent in it. Other then what we put too it.
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Re: Voice Magick
By: / Novice
Post # 10
Just to state the obvious, if you want to harm someone with words you can always just insult them. Words obviously do carry energy, it's not even hard to recognise, ever cried, laughed or gasped when reading a book? It's the same basic thing when you think about it, its not some all powerful magician many miles away in a tower causing you to feel that way, those words in that order have made you feel that way. Basically that means that those words held that type of energy to you surely it's a relatively small step to harness that energy. It's effectively done by actors every day the only difference is the purpose you're using it for.

I'd also like to point out quickly to AngelArtemis that we are not the only talking animals, all animals communicate and most with sound they just don't speak our language is all due to anatomical restraints. Were not even the only ones that can speak English though after all there's no shortage of parrots that mimic human words.
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