Seven Deadly Sins

Excellent Christian posting, Beine..well done

Thank you Stonicus, I appreciate it.

(This is Beine)

"You argue that what if you are proteting another from that same spirit or misdeed?"

No, not even kind of. I am speaking of protecting another with that "spirit".

Using what is natural to ourselves isn't wrong in my eyes. There are "misdeeds and imbalance" in everything. This is just another part of life. Even animals can be said to feel these "emotions" in more base forms.

Repressing the natural by forcing it out or down with love...is still repressing what we naturally are. Feeding into our desires is natural, the repression of such things through any means doesn't work and is shown to be very unhealthy in psychology and such. Rather, we should learn to release these things, to express them in beneficial ways rather than repress or suppress them away like they are naughty little things we shouldn't do.

And as for them all being the same thing, look behind the words you wrote. They are all different, but all contain the same priniciples of not living at your means and using love as a means to change this. All of them are the same thing in the end rather than different concepts because of this. I'm not saying apples are oranges. I am saying granny smith apples and normal red ones are both apples at the end of the day. ;)

It is a safe assumption you don't know how to bring happiness to every human being on this earth. No one person, no one group, no one country, no one anything knows happiness for all. Just for themselves. Each person is an individual; what brings me happiness may not bring you happiness and vice versa.

As for the guides...well, I've never met them. So...I don't really know what they've said. I only know what you interpreted from them. I doubt they are 100% clear 100% of the time.

Society teaches us to live within our means through religions. Remember where the sins came from? These were created during times when the church was society. And religion still is. Most religions teach you to repress or restrict these desires. So...I'm not as far off as you like to think. ;)

As for the pushing...I believe you took that a bit out of context. I will push myself til I fall off a cliff. I feel nothing I want is out of my reach if I work hard enough, so anything I want/need will be worked at until I get it. That is what I meant. Lol.

As for destruction...out of the ashes comes better selves then went in. Sekhmet's role in destruction is to destroy that which is harmful in some way. And yes, as this could go along with your thoughts, it is through vengeful destruction (wrath) that she does this. But in the end, she learns that destruction isn't everything. Two lessons in one. ;)

Oh, just a thought I had, you feel that wrath and such are spirits? More than just feelings or emotions?

First of all, to the first thing you said- It is not nessecary to protect using that spirit. It is negative to both parties involved. In short, there are better spirits to use to handle it.

First part of third paragraph- "Using what is natural to ourselves isn't wrong in my eyes." It is completely natural to live within the true, present reality, in fact, the article which Caper and I presented tries to teach about how to live within what is actually natural, vs. what is delusion. You do not force anything down with love. I don't think that we stated anything about 'forcing' anything down with love. This article has endevoured to help you understand that love is the answer, and to know how to deal with your negativity in order to complete it- a balanced lifestyle that includes all three- physical, emotional, spiritual- is one that will make you happy. This article focuses on all three of those in correlation to each other. It recognises that we are not just physical beings, or- the truth of the matter. Also, expressing those negatives in beneficial ways is exactly what this article aims to help do.

It doesn't just endevour to use love- but understanding. These things are not negative due to natural instinct, for they are only natural if you are delusional. The key to solve delusion is understanding and wisdom. Part of wanting to grow and become greater than you are is love, therefore, it is through love that you achieve this, however, that is not all. Also- Is it not a good thing that we are basing these things on the same principle? That is called a foundation.

Your right, it IS a safe assumption. However, I have not told anyone any direct course of how to live life. This article is like an overview. It helps to offer a blueprint. But how to actually live life to the fullest is always up to the individual. Our souls, and spirits, are not all so different. The blueprint to happiness is within the same guidelines for each of us.

Religion does not nessecarily teach us to live within our means. There are vey large groups of religious sects, especially here where I am (in the US states) that teach a very physical-based life. There is also a lack of emotional understanding. Instead of teaching to live within your physical/spiritual/emotional means, they teach to slant WAY towards the physical and only live within that. This neglects the spirit and the emotions.

As for my spirit guides, Caper is the main channeler, I have heard them on occasion but he was born with the ability to physically hear, see, and channel the spirits. As in, he hears their voices with his physical ears, just like physical noises. He has proven the validity of their messages to me on many, many occasions. Yes, we understand what they say. And they chime in to clarify when we don't.

Pushing yourself is good. Pushing yourself to something that ultimately ends up to be your detriment is not. There is a balance, thats all. Sometimes in order to learn lessons, it is easier to simply be told than to have to experience the pain of harsh life lessons. But it is completely up to you either way you want to go.

Eventually you will end up on a path that is not destructive either way, so what is the point of suffering the emotional damage when you can start living in a healthy manner now?

In reply to your question about the spirits- Yes, they are spiritual powers and entities. They are not just emotions and feelings.

These are spirits which, if we allow them to, have the ability to oppress us throughout our lives. this article helps us understand how to combat them.

We mentioned the spirits many times in the article. I really don't think you read it as thoroughly as you suggest.

How are the "sins" delusions?

And I never said it was bad, just was stating at the core it is all the same thing.

I was thinking more...the words try to teach. The very existence of the "sins" proves this. Lol.

Ahh. Was wondering about the spirits bit. Very helpful in explaining. ^__^

Ah. My point was that like a kid that gets burned by touching the stove, the burn sticks longer rather than words. Lol. Not that words cannot help, just that experience is often our best teacher.

I did, but towards the end...it was hard to look at and I thought you intended the words spirits as more the feelings of these things overtaking you much like a spirit would. I must admit...my scheme isn't the best at times. Lol.

The Christian church sins are greed,pride,envy, anger, gluttony, lust and sloth. surely if one looks at these as sins we are suppressing one's own physical, mental and emotional needs for gratification.

Why would greed be a sin ? Basically it is wanting more than you already have in life ...which then would lead to envy of others and what they possess and this would ultimately give you the desire to strive for wanting more. Thus being envy and greed are the motivation and ambition to obtain all you want out of life.

Gluttony could be seen as eating more than one needs to sustain oneself. But when one has reached a point of being over weight and bordering on obesity and one takes a good look at themselves this would ultimately lead to pride and ones desire to renew ones own self respect in your appearance would it not.

If one does not feel like getting out of bed in the morning is this not being guilty of sloth ...which in turn leads to another so called sin lust. Which basically is one of the second most powerful instincts of human nature. Why deny oneself lust.

Anger is self preservation basically it's ones driving force in life ..when someone harms you do you not wish to harm them back? Be dangerous even when in defeat ? basic animal instincts kick in then to protect those you love or oneself is it not ?

I agree with most of the responses to this post, but would like to put my two cents in on a couple of things.

Greed - I cannot begin to tell you how many robberies, murders, and wars have been committed in the name of greed in the history of this world. (Just think of the past of the Conquistadors with the Aztecs for their gold, slave traders in Africa, early American settlers robbing the Native Americans for their land, etc.) So to say that greed can be beneficial, I just don't understand.

Gluttony, well, I can't even think of good that would come out of that except ill health, higher medical insurance rates (which 9 times out of 10 others have to pay for).

Anger, well I go back and forth on that since there is something called righteous anger, which in some cases can help. Notice I said can! You can have righteous anger for your convictions, but how you put that to use can also be dangerous. Many abortion clinics have been bombed, hate crimes committed, jealousy surfacing which in turn can be dangerous or downright deadly if left unchecked.

Pride, as was said, might be the deadliest of all. It's the start of the snowball rolling downhill; you think too much of yourself so you are jealous of others who are starting to make themselves better, you become greedy because you always need to acquire the means to put yourself back on top, and anger towards others who don't quite share your opinion of yourself.

We are born into these things, true, but how we see ourselves using them is the point. For some people seem to think that it's their right as a human to twist these things around to their advantage. (Greed, jealousy and pride used to acquire things that they feel they deserve, anger to prove their point of view, etc.) Humans were also born with free will.

I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I felt this post by Beine to be informative and fascinating, as it brings out a lot of excellent points and, in my opinion, was well written.

When you say "spirits", are you referring to completely separate entities which instill these energies in us? That's what I got from it and to be honest, it sounds a little "the devil made me do it".


While I understand that you, your partner and your spirit guides all agree that living your life the way you have decided to do so and expressing it to others to get them to do the same is a great idea..keep in mind..it's only a great idea for you.

I see nothing wrong with these "sins". Personally, I say live them, jump into them and enjoy them. Why? Because from them you learn. Without these "sins", one never truly understands themselves, nor how they wish to be.

Without wrath, we cannot know compassion. Without greed we cannot know charity. Without lust we cannot know love. Without sloth we cannot know motivation. Without pride we cannot know humility. Without gluttony we cannot know self restraint. Without envy we cannot know self worth.

We may wish to think we know the counters of these, but in truth, until these are set towards us or we experience them..we haven't a clue.