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About "JoyofSatan" Site.
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"Satanism predates Christianity and all other religions."

If it predates all other religions why was it not recognized sooner?
Satanism was first created as a religion on the night of April 30th and the early morning of May 1st, 1966, on the Spring Equinox. The creator, Anton Szandor LaVey, created Satanism and also started the official Church of Satan.

"We know "Yaweh/Jehova" of the bible to be a fictitious entity, and the people behind coercing this lie, to be the true deceivers of humanity and the masters of lies. This is evident in the many contradictions within the Judeo/Christian Bible, revealing this text to be the work of human beings who had occult knowledge and infused it with power to make it credible, and to incite fear in order to control."

So why do there seem to be more lieing Satanists in the world then there are lieing Christians, Jews, and even Athiests?

"We are law abiding."

So why are their so many Satanists in jail/prison and so many more wanted for crimes and bragging about doing illegal things?

"We have found Satanism is the original religion of humanity. We have done our research. Satanism is based upon the ancient religions that predated Judaism and Christianity from hundreds to thousands of years."

Then why are the religions not listed? Paganism and Wiccanism are both NOT like Satanism, if those are the religions suggested. Also, Wiccans were not around until the late 1900's.

"Christianity was a reaction to the original Pagan religions, labeled as "Satanism" meaning "enemy/adversary" in Hebrew. If you read through the information contained within this website, we prove this."

Christianity branched off Judaism, not Paganism nor was it a "reaction" to Paganism. They were not labeled "Satanism" nor were the followers called "Satanists", time and time again the Pagans are called Pagans, exactly what they are and also what they themselves claim to be. JoyofSatan holds no proof, only "he said someone said" crap.

"The Original Gods [Demons] were unjustly labeled as monsters and branded as "evil" to keep humanity from spiritual knowledge. Because of this, the human race has drastically degenerated both spiritually and intellectually."

We've intellectually degenerated? So what happened to all the technology we had back then? We seem to have come along way for having been intellectually degenerating, in my opinion. Furthermore "evil" is a matter of opinion, and I have yet to see anything anywhere that supports the idea that Demons shouldn't be called Evil. Besides that, the Demons were never considered "gods" by any real and well-known religion.

"Spiritual Satanism is a life loving religion."

So why are there so many Satanists that take pleasure in the pain, suffering, and even the deaths of others? Why do they not show their sorrow for the loss of life when it is lost?

"The Judeo/Christian religion is a vicious hoax on humanity of catastrophic proportions. For a hoax to succeed there has to be a lack of knowledge on the part of the victim. The Christian religion and its cohorts actively suppress knowledge and free thought, encourage people to be slaves, and never advocate or teach anything for the betterment or advancement of humanity. As opposed to the stories of how the Nazarene healed people; Satan shows us how we can heal ourselves and perform so-called miracles, using our minds and the powers of our own souls."

It mentions several times in the Bible that we are to bow down to nobody and accept nobody as our Master. We worship our own Lord, but if you consider that "encouraging people to be slaves" then Satanism does the exact same thing so it encourages people to be slaves as well.

"It is obvious that Satan is not the "deceiver of humanity.""

It is obvious to me that he is.

And any Satanists who read this, if you continue to be Satanic without being able to prove what is written wrong you are following through blind Faith which is something many Christians have been attacked by your people for. :p

(This is in no way an attempt to 'attack' any individual, this is simply a list of quoted sentences and my replies. This is a copy&paste of a document I wrote after viewing the JoyofSatan site. This is being posted by request of a friend. Hope enjoyed the read.)
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i agreed
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I would also like to add that Joy of Satan is run by a pair of Neo-Nazis, which means that anything you read about Jews in there is completely and totally wrong at best and completely and totally hateful and ignorant at worst.

I don't have a problem with Satanism but I do have a problem with people using religion, any religion, as an excuse to hatemonger.
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i think the websites allright. it gives great info on some stuff. other than that i dont go explore the site.
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I personally would take the site with a grain of salt for the exact reason ning has mentioned.

But I also want to clarify a few things.

To the best of my knowledge, there is a very big difference between LaVey satanism and spiritual satanism. From what I understand LaVey is more on the worship of self while spiritual is the worship of the being Satanael.

One way that I personally find easier to look at spiritual satanism, is seeing it as reverse christianity ( no offense ). Both very sure their God to be the right one, and see's the opposite god being the false one doing damage to the soul of people.

As far as your comment reguarding the "law abiding" bit...please just stop. Every race, creed, age group, gender and every other catagory all has lists of people in jail or wanted for crimes. That does not make the whole group bad. It makes those few who broke laws bad. Under that theory we can easily say every Catholic condones pedophilia because a few priests have done it. Every southerner is a KKK member because a few of them are. Every man is a woman beater, every woman a gold digger, every Muslim a terrorist, ect. You cannot judge a group by the actions of a few. Well, you can..but in my opinion it makes you ignorant.


Looking at one website ( with a known poor reputation ) and drawing conclusions on the spiritual beliefs of the religion as a whole seems a bit silly to me.
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Ragnorok I'm stunned. Good work. This is the thing I always wanted to do.
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Yes, it gives some good information about some stuff. I agree with them about some things, but it's like at every page i see there is a link that leads to a christian hating site. That is the only thing i dislike.


So why are their so many Satanists in jail/prison and so many more wanted for crimes and bragging about doing illegal things? - don't get me wrong, but i believe those are only...hmm..probaly i should call them fake satanists? like those from tv shows... probaly they were people pretending to be something they are not, only crying for attention. They just follow what they see wat the tv, and then act like it, murdering people and dooing like such.

"The Original Gods [Demons] were unjustly labeled as monsters and branded as "evil" to keep humanity from spiritual knowledge. Because of this, the human race has drastically degenerated both spiritually and intellectually." - the fact about hating angels and other beeings it's just pure mistake. None of them are evil, well some are, but in the most part, they are just the same. Let's take a simple example. Pepsi or coke? Doesn't them taste almoust the same? Well, angels and demons are like that. Both have a good side, and both have a bad side. You can't call me evil, or good. Same goes with them. They are not entirely evil, nor entirely good. Each and everyone of us have a bad side of us, and a good one, though it is almoust imposible to determinate with one we have the most, therefore balance exists everywhere.
Another bad thing I don't like about them is the fact they they support only spiritual satanism, rejecting the other satanic ways like LaVeyan and Luciferian - with i must remind once again, luciferians ARE NOT devil worshipers, they only see things with a darker look. Anton Szandor Lavey, yes, founded Laveyan sataism, with it is a branch i respect and appreciate. Yes, you can consider me a satanist as well, though i work only with the primal energy of the universe and everything related to it. I highly appreciate Luciferian path as well. They do not ''bow'' to gods, just like Laveyans don't bow either. They just respect them. On the other side, it seams like that joyofsatan acctualy are bowing ot gods. This is beyond any stupidness i ever heard. I bow to no god. This is what Luciferians and Laveyans say. However Luciferians accept the existence of other ''gods'' and work with them, in order for further accomplishment.

"Spiritual Satanism is a life loving religion."

''So why are there so many Satanists that take pleasure in the pain, suffering, and even the deaths of others? Why do they not show their sorrow for the loss of life when it is lost?'' - sorry rag, but this is a thing i must disagree on. As i said above, there are some only looking for attention and seek attention.

''And any Satanists who read this, if you continue to be Satanic without being able to prove what is written wrong you are following through blind Faith which is something many Christians have been attacked by your people for. :p '' i told you you cna consider myself a satanist, yet a non-spiritual one, non-Laveyan one. Yes, I do have theories and arguments with i sustain my affirmation. I told you above, and i will tell you again: I follow and work with the primal energyies, not craps and shits that most people use to. Magick, as we call it, is not something about spells, rituals, and a few words, like many people think about it. Some will say that i am crazy, but i believe i am not. Working with energyies is not something realy hard. Magick is not something realy ahrd to do, as well as understanding me is not something realy hard. All i hear recently is ''i am a demon''. Wow some people realy need to look over their lifes, seriously. This is just another type in order to draw attention. Same goes with the vampire thing. When they said satanism was the world's religion. It wasn't. I realy wasn't interesed at all in the past, and i still aren't. This is just my oppinion only, not a proven fact. What i think is that world was created to chose what to do with our lifes. I do not reject christian teachings, even i respect some of them, but we must accept that those are not entirely true, however each story from there, has a little truth in it as well as lie, with brings us back to the ballance thing. So ragnarok, don't get me wrong, i am not like them. As well as the bible has it's truths and lies, so does joyofsatan has. Acctualy i read both the bible, and every single bit from joyofsatan, and i find both very interesting. Though, as i said, no one is perfect. I follow the path i chosed, because i wanted to, not because it is ''cool'' or leads to power. No. That is a purely wrong concept. I just read a hread about what is your deity, and i read some interesting posts there. Some of them were realy talking about nonsenses, but at least some of them were realistic and spoke the truth.

''It mentions several times in the Bible that we are to bow down to nobody and accept nobody as our Master. We worship our own Lord, but if you consider that "encouraging people to be slaves" then Satanism does the exact same thing so it encourages people to be slaves as well.'' Ragnorok - well, in a way, that is true, but not all satanists do so. Only joyofsatan does, in one way or another. Yes, they seem preaty convincive, and know how to atract people on their side, but realy, some teachings are realy wrong. Jesus a bad person? Jesus was acctualy the first men to accomplish spiritual fullfilment and accomplishment by a better understanding of the universe and energy. Many ''miracles'' were performed by him, yes, with his own powers, not powers from the god. I highly doubt the existence of ''god'' though i believe in the existence of the mortal jesus, as i mentioned above, the first man to accomplish what we are still trying to.

Enough said for now. Have a nice day or night, whatever it is there.

Mephisto
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Re: About "JoyofSatan" Site.
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Dark Emperor, Ning, Faust, thank you. :)

Healer, about the "law abiding" bit, "As far as your comment reguarding the "law abiding" bit...please just stop. Every race, creed, age group, gender and every other catagory all has lists of people in jail or wanted for crimes." That is exactly why I posted what I posted. The JoyofSatan site stated it as an absolute, "We are law abiding", they didn't say "some of us are law abiding" or "we try to be law abiding" they made a claim that all Satanists are law abiding by saying "we" rather then the variations listed in this post. Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Pagans, even a few Buddhists and Jedis have broken the law. It's a general human thing. I wasn't saying ALL Satanists are criminals, just that there are to many (as with ever Religion, in my opinion, as well as people in general) wanted for felonies for any claims of the entirety being law abiding to be made.
But since you asked me to stop this will be my first and last explanation for that bit of the first post.
Thank you for explaining the difference between those two Satanisms, by the way, but there is one main thing I disagree with. As mentioned in my first post they claim to be "a life loving religion" yet they attack various other religions and beliefs for not agreeing with them. I have heard people who go to JoyofSatan for info complain about Christians doing the exact same thing, which shows a level of hypocrisy coming from that site.
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I agree with the majority of what you said, and most of the things I disagree with have been addressed.

Laziness aside, you are speaking of satanism in a completely different way to what many people I know follow,and yet ask them to prove what is written a wrong, even though majority would gladly give you awards for saying what you have said against this site. Personally I hate the site, and am very happy that you have done this, the second last line just bugged me a bit.

And, I agree whole-heatedly with your statement that "Satan" is the deceiver of humanity, because the "Satan" this site talks about honestly is.

Overall, good work Rag :)
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the website give a good info about summoning demon and the list of demon is good. but their 'facts' about satan and other religion is almost unreal.
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