Anything is possible!

Sillieh: I can understand and I appreciate your point of view (and even sympathize with you), however, take a normal thinking stranger off the street and tell them that each plant, herb, color, phase of the moon, word, thought, etc. carries its own magical property and when you combine them just right sand think really hard you can make your thoughts manifest and wishes come true.... and I bet you will get a "That's impossible" look and probably a 'down-the-nose' hearty laugh right in your face. Shortly after that person caught their breath from laughing so much (or running away from the crazy person) you might hear something similar to your thoughts of the aspirations of those that annoy you and make you think they don't use common sense. Who is that person to tell you that your crazy and your wasting your time on money spells or get a new job spells? Just because that person doesn't believe in what we want to accomplish doesn't mean that your wrong.. it just shows that we all have different beliefs, goals, aspirations and hopes. I understand where your coming from but I don't see why anyone along a magical path would be so quick to tell another on a similar (granted, a much more far fetched path) that there are things they shouldn't try to accomplish because it doesn't make sense to them. :::shrugs:::
As for the fact that such knowledge would be so widespread and everyone would be doing it if it was possible.... why, then, is the whole planet not into magic? Its so obvious that its very real to us, we are discussing such things on a website dedicated to such powers now, yet we are so few in numbers. If there were/are those that CAN do such grand magic I must believe they have gathered enough wisdom to not share it with anyone that would abuse such powers. And in order to do such things one would have to have an incredible amount of knowledge on the workings of so many different aspects, that unless you devoted your life to obtaining such power, you wouldn't be able to achieve such powers. Add to the above that you would have to believe such things were possible in order to attain said objective, and you find that you could hold an ABC special with proof and only a very few people would buy it, much fewer would try to achieve similar powers and only a very few would ever be able to achieve it.

I'm not saying that I want to project the image that all of us along a magical path think we can grow wings, I'm simply saying that its my feeling that if someone wishes to go along such a path, we should let them be. We don't have to support them or even agree with them, but I would hope that we would be able to accept them as they are and point them in a direction to learn for themselves what they are and are not capable of.

Megadeath: Thank you for your input and support on this topic. I have always similar things and believe there is a great amount of wisdom and facts in those statements as well.

Trinityrose: Your welcome :) There is so many things that go unexplained that should be so simple and consistent that it seems as though the more you try to explain things, the more things don't make sense. It truly is like everyone makes their own reality... and if you think about it in the most mundanely simple things in life, you can clearly understand how such a statement could be so true... like I think I am "this" kind of person but if you ask 5 others that know me they may all have a different idea of what kind of person I am, and none of them agree with my own opinion or each other. My reality is my own just like everyone else has their own.

I also find it helps to think/chant such things. Its nice to have the ability to escape the combined realities of everyone and take the pleasure in knowing that you control your own reality.

-Tonkor

Magick is intrensic to your very nature , thats what separates real magick from fantasy magick every action you do in life follows the similar principles of practicing magick , and vice versa. Whenever you believe that an object would bring you luck , it will become that which you believe , but to the extent of subtle changes , the amount of energy needed to manipulate and warp matter at a molecular level is the energy of a nuclear power plant , which humans cant absorb let alone control. The reason its not accepted by science is because it isnt measurable by it , you cannot measure wishes and thoughts , there's been hundreds of tests for devotional and parapsychological ideas , but non have yielded fully fledged results of why and how it happens , which is what science is all about. That is why its considered paranormal (outside the spectrum of normal understanding and measurement via scientific means) and not natural to mainstream science.

@ Sillieh- First I would like to know your sources that you base your statement "the amount of energy needed to manipulate and warp matter at a molecular level is the energy of a nuclear power plant , which humans cant absorb let alone control." on. From what I understand it doesn't take much energy to change the structure of molecules. For example, if you burn yourself on something you can see the change in the cells of your skin. So I don't understand how you can say we would have to absorb the equivalent of a nuclear power plant to change the molecules.

In fact, molecules change all on their own depending on the environment they are in... its evolution. I'm certain there were nuclear power plants millions of years ago. Fish grew wings and became birds... how do you account for that with your hypothesis?

In response to the point of science not accepting such ideas because they haven't developed the technology to test and measure thoughts and wishes doesn't relate to the topic at hand because this site is based on the belief that we can effect things in our lives with the use of subtle manipulations of energies with our will regardless of what science believes, or anyone for that matter. Just because science can't measure or understand something doiesnt mean it doesn't exist or isn't possible to do.

My point is that if you can affect things outside of yourself with your thoughts than I see no reason why you can't affect your own body. And if you can affect anything at all, the possibility of being able to affect everything should not be out of the rhelm of possibilities. Furthermore, if its possible to affect something as little bit then with special circumstances I can't rule out the possibility of being able to affect it even more.

I understand that magic runs on subtle manipulations but I choose not to rule out the possibilities of being able to affect things with not so subtle manipulations with practice and time. Why limit your minds creativity and strength of you power thru belief just because it hasn't been proven to be possible?

I'm not saying that I actively (or have ever) try to grow wings or fly, but there doesn't seem to be a legitimate reason to close your mind to the possibility... other than being hurt because you got your hopes up and failed or not feeling accepted because you are more open minded than most others and are afraid of being made fun of or not fitting in with the majority.


You can choose to not rule out the possibility of an idea while also realizing that under your current understanding of circumstances it seems to be impossible. If there were not those who were willing to stand up and question the current thoughts, beliefs and possibilities, we would never make any progress.

I think the original intent that I was trying to express has been lost along the way. Its not my intention to try to argue that fantastical feats are possible through the practice of magic, but to bring up the point that, because of the nature of this site is one to bring together those who feel they can manipulate energy to affect things around them, it seems a double standard to put down those who choose to be open to the possibility that fantastical feats could be done in some way not yet known or learned.

I'm not trying to convince anyone here that we can grow wings or levitate a station wagon, I'm simply pointing out that it seems like a double standard that while there are those on here that stand firm on our beliefs of magic against the majority of people (mainstream thinking) who think its impossible, those same people think its OK to turn around and look down their noses and tell others with the same beliefs, butwho leaves their mind open to the possibility that more things could be possible some how, that they are wrong. I'm absolutely OK with others not having the same beliefs as my own, but when I think about those who are coming to our wonderful world of magic with all of the same foundations we share like the appreciation for nature, working on yourself thru meditation and (take note of this one) the acceptance of others with different beliefs than our own... it doesnt seem its worth telling them they are wrong for wanting to learn how to do something you dont believe is possible just to state your own beliefs. We have many newcomers looking to those of us on our site for guidance who likely has no where else to turn for acceptance, and there are those who jump at the chance to tell them that their beliefs are wrong. I agree with letting them know that such feats have never been proven to be possible and to not get their hopes up. I also don't have a problem with letting others know your own beliefs. I don't want to have others thinking we are crazier than they already believe we are but I think we could give them a warmer welcome and suggest they read, learn, practice and let them find out for themselves what is possible and what isn't. It saddens me to think that there are those that might miss out on all of the wonderful aspects of the values we all share and a wonderful journey because there were those who felt the need to pounce and tell them their hopes are impossible... we are supposed to be accepting of others and guide them to learn for themselves. What kind of example of one of our core values are we setting if we can't accept their idea? Is it so important to prove to others your own beliefs that you can't lead someone into our culture and suggest they learn how to do what they are seeking to accomplish? I'm not mad at anyone at all... I understand where you are coming from and I'm not judging you. I just feel there might be a better way to get your point across while making the person feel accepted and bringing them in to our family to learn for themselves.

-Tonkor

I agree with tonkor

I normally don't comment on forums... but you are right. I too have seen so much of others saying how impossible something is. When you put your mind and heart into it, anything can be possible, and in the world of magic, who knows the possibilities! That's the beauty of magic to me. There are so many things that people say is impossible and have said that to so many things over the years, but look as what we have accomplished! So who knows, maybe someone can make something new happen in the world of magic that we think is impossible, but may suddenly happen like everything has in this world.

Well I believe anything is possible because their are things above the physical plane. You can learn something called 'metaphysical manipoulation', metaphysical just means beyond physical, their are energies that beyond the physical that can crete outcomes you have neve imagined. Its a matter of bringing them energies on the phsyical plane and manipulating them.

sorry im so late into this debate but i just saw it today. im a very resonable guy but i do agree with a lot of the original post exept the not using 100% of brain thing that was debunked as fake. i think a lot of you would benefit from watching a movie called " the secret " it gose well with this post and will probably help some of you lern a lot. by the way i do know ways to harness energy even from the sun with magic i don't know if it will work for everyone but i think " spiritmagic " could explain it better than i could if he has found this info as well, im not shure but if not i can try to explain it to people.

I too, believe that anthing is possible. I just a matter of hitting the wall and finding a way through or around it. In this way, I think with enough practice, research, and break throughs we can accomplish the "impossible."

exactly

So you would have us all post spells or ignore the threads and allow others to post spells to do things that we know currently are not possible so as not to hurt someones feelings and turn them away from magic?

What do you think they feel when they try and try, having people tell them "anything is possible if you cross your fingers and try hard enough" or "I'm this and that, I've done this before, it totes works"? Do you think they feel inadequate, like a failure and will turn to making up stories so as not to feel like the only person who isn't capable of doing it?

What is possible down the line with evolution (spiritual and human) doesn't matter because we aren't there. All we have, is what is possible now and I'm sorry, but there are things that are currently impossible.

I see no point in lying to someone and allowing them to spread false information just because we don't want to meanie heads.

Take this kind of talk...take half the questions in this site, half the spells posted and take them into the real world. Into a Pagan or Heathen or Rootwork or Kemetic gathering and see what happens. You want to see folks rain on a parade? They'll do it to your face, spread it all over the internet and not blink twice while doing it.