Ok guys, I really want to get into magic and learn as much as possible. However, I need to know what is possible and what isn't. I do not want repsonses like "it depends on belief". I want a real borderline spereating the possible form the impossible.
Also, what are some good books to read and learn from. Mainly books on casting spells and rituals.
I already bought the Power before Wisdom: Learning magic the hard way.
Re: Magic Borderline
By: Myrala / Novice May 23, 2015
Post # 2
The physical plane is governed by scientific laws. Because we cannot isolate variables in subtle (nonphysical) energy, we can't prove or disprove anything about it.
The easiest way to put it is that if you don't claim to break the laws of physics, you're good. Everything beyond that is all about varied probability and likelihood, which is where opinion and belief is allowed to flourish.
If you're interested, you can research cosmological models further to get an idea to start out with of how subtle reality works and ultimately, you'll find your own personal belief about that when you experience it.
Because of that, think of books concerning magic to be the written opinion of the author (unless you are practicing a tradition). There truly is no universal standard of magic, which is why we draw the line at science (the next most credible thing being shared personal truths).
Re: Magic Borderline
By: Brysing Moderator / Adept May 23, 2015
Post # 3
Well, you have nothing on your profile. But we might start with spells and rituals. These are not magic! They are attempts to get a magical result.
Magic is changing one or more things into something different. I have never yet seen a book that gets it exactly right. But you might start your studies from the above premise.
Magic can make possible things happen when you want them to. What magic is and what is possible are debatable. I've heard Atheists use the term "magical" so it doesn't always mean supernatural. Your will needs a way of manifesting without violating scientific laws.
greetings before i start this might be a pretty long post since im going to talk about some of my more recent experiance's with specifically spirits
personally i never really coulld see spirits this is also because when i first got to be aware of the feeling and i had seen a shadow demon once on the wall i was way frightened back then and especially inexperianced and tho interested partly unaware of spirits i became aware a lil after that since it was real enough to know i wasnt dreaming since i had pissed my pants even tho i went around kicking the demon multiple times thinking i was stil dreaming lol anyway also i dont hear spirits most of the time but these days mainly after having been visited by some very kind spirits i got a increase in energy self activating energy shield wich helps to tell me if spirits ar near its not really like that tho i have been told by that spirit a few days after she gave that gift that she just activated part of my potential that layed dormant so she used my own energy to somehow build it for me as a thanks for guiding her out of my room and many of the spirits we had helped that night warned us about something to so we i together with a friend decided to send the willing spirits out to search for help something about a very strong darkness awaiting the future (sounds unbelievable i know) dont know what to believe myself but i dont like taking risks so yea they went out recruiting spirits and warning other folks and spirits since then somehow my sence seems to grow and i recently even coulld see a white outline some sort of massive aura without colour (tho some folks can do that including my mother i never coulld do that more i never was able to see energy one hint btw spirits dont show the same as humans they wil always have a destinct something that lets you know somehow that they are spirits if its not in there posture or something its in there voice if hearable ive also found that spirits can come trough dreams in certain items tho i dont have much experiance with actual magical items but i know its possible cause i once had a spirit that for some reason wanted to annoy me started out small just poking my chest trolling around lol when i closed my eyes that night i instantly entered the spirit world for him to scare me even more lol so i woke up from that dream to find some energy attached to my chest and arms so since i coulldnt move i try'd staying calm thinking i was dreaming didnt work so i started to chant one of the first mental defence spells ive come across in fact on this site ive kept it in my head and the handy part is it increases with willpower so yea my type of spell :D it stil took me few hours to even calm down the energy to a conversable point i never try'd any sealing spells didnt know any either but since i was trying to make the point towards the spirit that i still wanted to befriend it if possible also i figured he coulld be a great help in the future and such i had some item a dragon pendant that i got for 25 in spain lol anyway so without knowing any sealing spells i had to inprovise so i just pictured the object magnetize the spirit into it and the purple and yellow rings i normally picture from my protection spell that i got from here repeated that tought while fighting off the energy for few hours somehow that worked so i learned to always know at least one protection spell and or sealing spell (dont usually use sealing since its logical that to some point its like keeping a spirit in a cage and i dont feel good about that but yea that all happened a few years ago i think it might have been 2013 something i guess mabey a little erlier
now recently i traded the pendant away to a friend who didnt mind the spirit and seems tho the spirit didnt want to listen to me that friend i traded the pendant with has succeeded in well i dont know if mastering the spirit is a good word to use but they work great together fill eachothers weakness and strenghten eachother
on another topic wich is dreamwalking theres a pdf for that it has some game rules and stuff so im guessing its like a game or it is a game in fact but if you know wich parts that partake to the game and wich part are just general things most of the general things are proper well explained it learns alot of things about the dreamworld itself and how it coexists with humans and stuff pretty interesting
click up to link for pdf file u can either read them online wich id recommend just paste the link in a text file and open up the link when u wanna read it :) or download the pdf directly on to ur computer :D both shoulld work
other personal experiance's in general to keep them short that ive had in the past are spirits that either
heal me (mental emotions) (does not include sicknesses that involve psychosis ish things as far as i know) but things like my grandpa died a while ago and sure i cry'd openly at some points ive felt my grandpa come to heal my pain especially helped in the beginning
so yea as i said healing can be done by spirits make things disapear or reapear example lost something once for two years i found it in the exact same box where two years erlier there was nothing at all checked weekly including the day before i found it again and im 100% positive nothing entered my room exept for spirits wich i did feel but then again they can come trough many things :p
Straight up everything is possible, ive done two things ive read isnt, before the negatives found me. The whole what you believe part sometimes is weird getting over in the beginning what made it super easy for me when i first woke up after casting To may on myself was to say because it is possible.
I'm sorry, Vaynord, but not everything is possible. Flight, changing into another creature, changing eye color, teleportation, and so-on are not possible. Even spirits are a matter of belief, and different beliefs will have different interpretations of what one supernatural entity may be.
Re: Magic Borderline
By: .StarPower. / Novice Jun 29, 2015
Post # 10
To whomever mentioed it: Being an Atheist has nothing to do with calling it magick or supernatural. Religion has nothing to do with belief in magick. For example, Wicca is a religion, but it is not necessary to be Wiccan to cast spells or do rituals. On the other hand, Moses and Jesus did great magick, even of the highest kind. Anyone can use magick. Just saying..