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Forums -> Other Spells Discussion -> Changing gender??

Changing gender??
By: / Beginner
Post # 1
Are gender changing spells impossible? I was just wondering...

~Blessed Be
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Re: Changing gender??
By: Moderator / Knowledgeable
Post # 2

There is no way to change your gender using spells or magic. The only way to do that would be through gender reassignment surgery.

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Re: Changing gender??
By: Moderator / Knowledgeable
Post # 3
This thread has been moved to Other Spells Discussion from Welcome.
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Re: Changing gender??
By: Moderator / Adept
Post # 4
The "appearance " of gender changing can be obtained by surgery; but the DNA would remain the same. A man can be made to look like a woman in almost every respect; but he would still be a man.
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Re: Changing gender??
By: / Novice
Post # 5
First: No, magic won't change gender. Choosing gender changes gender, and if you're epiphenomenalist like I am... that's more like agreeing to a gender that your subconscious chose for you anyway. In any case, magic doesn't work on physical shapeshifting.

Second: To my understanding, there's a difference between sex and gender. Sex is the physical part of it, like a scientist would define species that reproduce sexually (like a human) based on genitalia. The societal gender is an entirely different thing, but it gets complicated to consider something in-between: genitals, chromosomes, hormones, neurological structure, are all bodily functions that contribute to a person's sense of their own gender...and I haven't even gotten to societal expectations yet!

So, even if somebody has XY chromosomes, if the striae terminalis region of their brain is of a certain proportion more appropriate to women, or their hormonal production is more feminized, or even--especially--if they vocally want to be considered a woman by society, then as far as I'm concerned? They're a woman.

(Actually, that someone says they want to be considered as such in society is probably the only time I should agree, because it's kind of offensive to go, "Oh, haha, you've got estrogen in your system so you're not a real man" when everybody has a little estrogen in their system, and the one I'm saying that to would rather be considered a man, because I'm not a medical professional that this person specifically solicited to go meddling and measuring his hormonal balance.)

It might get complicated if the individual in this example wants to be a... how to put it? ...breeding woman, but then again sometimes women have fertility issues. Being born without a womb and with male genitalia would just so happen to be a much rarer complication than, say, irregular ovulation that can probably be solved with some herbal teas.

But basically

- female is the sex
- woman / feminine is the gender
- male is the sex
- man / masculine is the gender
- androgyne is another gender
- intersexed is the sex (XXY chromosomes; fetal development of both reproductive organs, not necessarily having to do with the chromosomes--etcetera.)

- sex and gender tend to correspond (intersexed with androgyne, male with masculine) but not always.

Magic doesn't change sex.
Some magic glamours might maaaybe help with gender as in how other people view your gender-based position in society, but not that much.

Phew! Sorry this was so long, but just in case people would like more perspective of why gender changing spells are impossible rather than just: Yes they're impossible.
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Re: Changing gender??
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 6

I have to agree with Aeon here. The biological sex is not the same as gender, and you don't even have to have reassignment surgery to be considered a transgendered person. The goal of reassignment surgery is to become the gender a person feels more comfortable in. At that point, their goal is to be close to a cisgendered person, which would defeat the purpose of only surgically changed people being transgendered.

And Brysing, I find your comment to be worded horribly as it comes off very transphobic. While this might not be your intention, please keep it in mind for future reference.

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Re: Changing gender??
By: Moderator / Adept
Post # 7
I was not being transphobic. I was telling the truth. Surgery does not change the DNA.
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Re: Changing gender??
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Post # 8
Good post Aeonwings. Surgery like brysing said is it can change looks, but not genetics.
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Re: Changing gender??
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 9

A man can be made to look like a woman in almost every respect; but he would still be a man.

That is the sentence I have a problem with. That is what comes off as transphobic as you are adressing gender, not biological sex.

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Re: Changing gender??
By: Moderator / Adept
Post # 10
Perhaps I should have said "would still be male". I did not mean to offend anybody.
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