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Death
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Post # 1
For the last 8 years I've struggled to deal with the passing of a very close relative. It was my grandfather (my 2nd dad lol) We were so close. I still miss him so badly even now. I feel like I'm gradually getting better after suffering with bad depression (so bad that I planned my own death at the age of 14...) I'm getting there now but I have my tearful moments occassionally.

My question though is, How do Wiccan's, Satanist etc...deal with death?

I may sound naive here but I always thought that Christians dealt with death by praying and keeping their bible with them for reassurance (Sorry in advance if this offends anyone, like I said that's what I thought they do.) My point though is, does each religion have their own ways of coping, or does everyone "Just deal with it"?
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Re: Death
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Post # 2
"Life is the one great indulgence; death the one great abstinence. To a person who is satisfied
with his earthly existence, life is like a party; and no one likes to leave a good party. By the
same token, if a person is enjoying himself here on earth he will not so readily give up this
life for the promise of an afterlife about which he knows nothing."
-->>satanic bible of sir anton lavey



"A Luciferian Ritual of burial is a celebration of life, an
acknowledgement of their own transformation into the ghost
lands, the realm of Hecate. Consider that the ritual of burial
is to awaken and attune the celebrants to the gnosis of death
as a process of transformation. For Athiestic Luciferians, it is
about the celebration of life and those who surround the one
who has passed on. To Theistic or Luciferians with a
spiritual path, it is a celebration of transformation and
awakening to the path of Lucifuge, the spirit who goes forth
by night. You may wish to adopt Sethianic concepts in your
burial rituals, as Anubis is the son of Set.
It is ideal that a Luciferian who is initiated in the
Daevayasna should not be cremated, as the Law of Ahriman
is that all should be buried, it feeds the self as Daeva in
spirit, it is a honor to the Yatukan sorcerer or Luciferian. If a
Luciferian is specifically on a Light or Spiritual path of the
Astral Body, then they may choose cremation. Within the
Luciferian Path, the Adversary wears many faces, thus it is
adaptable by approach."
-->>from the bible of the adversary of sir Michael Ford (a luciferian approach to death and also my own perception about death)..

as you can see the difference, an atheistic satanist view death as nothing because an atheistic satanist have much more focus about life's fun compared to a luciferian who acknowledge death as a passage of transformation unto the higher self..

namaste.. ;)
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Re: Death
By: / Beginner
Post # 3

We are living here for a purpose, to learn and to help. Everyone has a purpose, a destiny and we shouldn't end our life before we fullfil it. Death isn't pain, an end, it's a new beggining, it's acceptance.

I've lost a member of my family because of a cancer. It was suffering everyday, on his face I could see his pain. When he died, the pain on his face disappeared, he was looking relaxed. He accepted death.

We shouldn't hurry our death. We are here for a purpose and death shall come on it's own.

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Re: Death
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Post # 4
My condolences. I've been helping my boyfriend through the death of his mother (and helping my mom prepare for the death of her own mother), and here's what I can tell you about it as a Thelemite.

Thelemites work to have a pretty positive view of death to begin with. During the collects of the Gnostic Mass (a special series of prayers the Deacon recites around half way through) a lot of things are addressed, but during the collects for Death and the End there is a specific note in the Mass that all congregants are to "stand, Head erect, Eyes open." The collects for Death and the End go as such;

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Term of all that liveth, whose name is inscrutable, be favourable unto us in thine hour.

(So mote it be.)

Unto them from whose eyes the veil of life hath fallen may there be granted the accomplishment of their true Wills; whether they will absorption in the Infinite, or to be united with their chosen and preferred, or to be in contemplation, or to be at peace, or to achieve the labour and heroism of incarnation on this planet or another, or in any Star, or aught else, unto them may there be granted the accomplishment of their wills; yea, the accomplishment of their wills.

AUMGN. AUMGN. AUMGN.

(So mote it be.)
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It is also said in Liber AL vel Legis (our primary Holy Book) that upon death Nuit gives "peace unutterable, rest, ecstasy" (AL I:58) and that there is "A feast for fire and a feast for water; a feast for life and a greater feast for death!" (AL II:41).

Death, however terrifying it may be to the natural and instinctive mind, really doesn't sound that bad given the above. It's peaceful, it's joyous, I can choose what I want to do with myself in terms of reincarnation and afterlife, and it's apparently more awesome than birth. In fact, that's what we call birthdays and anniversaries of death, lesser feasts and greater feasts, and we treat them accordingly. When a Thelemite dies it is not some sad occasion of rain and gloom and mourning, but a raucous party which celebrates all that they were and have done, and all yet that they shall become and go on to do.

It's a little like being a teacher and watching your students graduate - we'll certainly miss you, but we're so happy for you and what you are moving on to.

There's another, very vital piece to this. In Liber OZ there are listed a number of rights we all have, among them the right to live, work, play, rest, die "when and how [we] will." This obviously implies that death is, in fact, something which we will to happen. Provided that nothing tragic happens to shorten either of our lives, you and I will both likely realize someday that it is our time to die, and we shall accept it and perhaps even look forward to it. While that's obviously not quite the case when a person dies suddenly as in a car accident, that it is inevitable and something which you and I are apparently already planing for will make accepting its early arrival a great deal easier, don't you think?

That is how Thelemites approach death. We celebrate and we look forward to all the deceased will gain.
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Re: Death
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Post # 5
Ultimately everyone has to deal with death, whether his/her own, or of a loved one. My mom died less than a year ago, and I too have my cry moments. But we are crying for ourselves, as those who died are fine. My belief is that the soul goes on. Its just the body that dies. I watched my mom take her last breath, and I was relieved to see that she was finally free from the pain of her sickly body. I yelled, "Ma, you're free!".
I believe that there is one great energy that we come and go back into (birth and death). Some say you keep getting sent back (reincarnation) until you get it right. lol I think if we do keep coming back, it is to learn more, experience more, contribute more to the human race so we don't destroy ourselves. Beyond this, we really don't "know", but we "believe" and that helps us keep going, until its your turn. I hope this makes sense. Random fact, both wiccans and native Americans believe we go to Summerland(s) when we have learned and done enough. Blessed Be...
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Re: Death
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 6
" Do not stand at my grave and weep; I am not there. I do not sleep. I am a thousand winds that blow. I am the diamond glints on snow. I am the sunlight on ripened grain. I am the gentle autumn rain. When you awaken in the morning's hush I am the swift uplifting rush Of quiet birds in circled flight. I am the soft stars that shine at night. Do not stand at my grave and cry; I am not there. I did not die." Author Unknown but believed to be Navajo

That's what I believe. Our lives are lessons and something to be respected and treasured. But death is inevidable and not a negative thing when we have lived a good life. When we die, we return to true life, the existence of spirit where we are whole (connected with everything) but we continue on physically through the thoughts and memories of those who love us that remain behind. When someone leaves this life behind, we are not the only ones sad, they are too. So I feel it is not just our own feelings we must consider but theirs as well.

When I die, I want a party not a funeral, and those I love are to remember the good times and celebrate my life not mourn my death, because I won't be dead. I may have died, but death is only a transition from spirit to physical and physical to spirit. I'll be with them laughing and smiling, remember the good times and knowing eventually, we will be reunited.

Death isn't the end, its only a change. We experience many deaths, many endings throughout life, and the end of life into the next is just another of many more "ends/beginnings" come. Life is a cycle, a circle, not point A to point B, but continuous.

I've only mourned the death of loved ones when I have regret, regret that I didn't do something or say something I wish I had before they died. Usually I go to the grave at this point and give an offering (something they liked in life) and call to them. When I sense them, I make peace by telling them what I wanted to or explaining how I feel. Just speaking outwardly and not waiting for a response...I really don't want one. I don't like directly talking with a loved one (astral projection or being the medium) after they have crossed over although I've spoken to some people who do. I find it easier to let go when I do not.

I do sense them near sometimes, especially my grandmother when I need support. I usually smell roses when she's near, she always wore rose perfume, a perfume I gave to her as a gift. I idolized her, so at times I feel her near, especially when I'm going through a tough time.

Going back to the poem, when I'm troubled, I end up randomly coming across something that reminds me of her and its comforting. And I can just about hear her yelling at me as she would and it makes me laugh. It reminds me of her inner strength and gives me the determination to get through. That's what the poem also means to me. Not just connection to all things but how the little things stir the memories and heart, and make us feel like, for that moment, there is no separation and we are together again.

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Re: Death
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Post # 7
To some, death is the end, to others, it's a new beginning, personally, I belive in the dead going to Valhalla, others believe in Heaven, but people never think of family members going to hell, I'm sure other religions have other afterlifes, most religions do, atheists (mainly) think life is over after death.
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