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why not all spells work
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Post # 1
thow i wish i culd say otherwise, these are my own views, im not saying im right, this is only wat i believe. Forgive me black magicians, I was once ur kind, and I regret it deeply. What draws u to it is pain alone. Anyhow, why not all spells work, the number one reason most people dont believe in magick spells and ritual= U CANNOT MESS WITH FREE WILL. u have the will to cast the spell, why should other things, people, higher powers, even objects, have thiers too? Magick on things other than yourself (most commonly used on other people, it seems) can only be used, with there uncontious consent, to bring there already existing feeling, thoughts, and karma, to the surface. If someone doesnt like you, u cannot make them, just as noone can make you like them. Hexes and curses work if the person has bad karma, u bring it result about, or if they dont like themselves, you can make those feelings surface. We cannot manipulate objects physicaly (atleast to my knowlege) with our minds, becuase they have free will. How? they are made up of cells..with life energy. Even the stillest rock in the world contains MOVEING (they vibrate with energy, ask a sceintist) cells... They have there purpose, and there will. Animals, spirits, ect. all do too. Would you part with your free will? would u let someone have it? what is the number one tool in magick? WILL! So before your next spell on someone else, ask urslef, i have will to do this spell, this person has will to have free will. U can have MANY effects on others, by combinded ur will with theres. Example, if someone want to heal, u can add your will power (in a stronger form) via spells to theres. Same with love and revenge. They haveto want to/think the deserve it. And lastly, effecting fate. Fate to has her will. Yes, you can occasionaly have an effect on fate, but fate must will it, so in essence, u never realy change fate, just make it manifest. These, once again, are just my purely WHITE views. Hope it helps. Best of luck, -cryptatraz
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Re: why not all spells work
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 2
You have much to learn. I don't even know where to start honestly. I could write a novel on your misconceptions in that post.

All I can say is read the past posts of this board, and please, slow down with the posting. You'll learn more by reading, not writing. Most of your topics have already been discussed. Use the search bar to your advantage.

You have potential, but you'll lose that potential the more you assume and fill in gaps between knowledge you've gained. It is better to assume we know nothing than guess with limited information. Research, observe, experiment, but never ever assume truth.
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Re: why not all spells wo
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Post # 3
yes ur point is valid, but even so, u cant realy truely deny or confirm what i said. if so, please, change my free will so that i will believe u... and secondly, sorry for all the posts, i just have alot to say, and prefure a direct answer to me, rather than a general one. but whatever u say dude...u must be right...cuz u have nothing left to learn;)
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Re: why not all spells wo
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Post # 4
still waitin bud... noone said ur magic doesnt work... but noone said the recipiants dont want it to.... if u make me believe u, il call u freakin jesus.. u truely angered me. I had the politness to say it was my own views, u, had the odasity to say u knew better... as far as im consered, it is YOU, filling in the holes of what u do not know. i know u do not know me, and cannot say that i know nothing. i could wright a thousand book on how not to be pretentious. I could wright two thoasand more, or how what u said can be proven wrong, and how what i said, in the end, cannot. Who, honestly, WHO are u to say that MY views, are wrong.. are u me? are u freakin jesus? can u make me believe u? no.. u wouldnt even if u could. silly silly silly crap, almost as silly as me getting angry at what u said..
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Re: why not all spells work
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Post # 5
OK cryptatraz I wanted to reply. That A true witch would never manipulate free will, but that by tapping into the life energy of the earth, the sun, the wind, the water, and of the objects around us. you can move objects with one's mind. although it takes excessive training to do so. And secondly true magick is neither black nor white that is mans terms. the practitioner makes the difference. It is true some spells do not work but not because of will some are performed at the wrong time, some are misworded, and some do not have the appropriate elements in order to be effective.
and you are correct in saying, that you cannot make someone love or like you, if they do not want to. But spells are effective if done properly. There is so many misconceptions out there about
real magick it would take me years, to point them all out, but always remember the witches creed, before you do anything and weigh your consequences, before casting. remember the rule of casting, you must have everything in place properly in order for any spell to be effective.
Blessed Be Dee
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Re: why not all spells work
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 6
Your aggression is proving my point. I said nothing more than that your misconceiving through assumption. I don't need to go into detail. Every cultural magick on the face of this earth disagrees with your statements. What you're spouting is Neo Pagan, New Age, fluffy garbage that probably came from people like Silver Ravenwolf and her gurus. I never said "I know everything". But I do know people and the mind well.

First of all, magick has no color. People are both constructive and destructive every day of their lives. It is how we were made. There is no right or wrong. There is carnal instinct verses wisdom. Neither is "wrong". One is is born and the other is worked for. But we can never escape our carnal behaviors, because that would be attempting to escape our biological makeup.

We effect people's will everyday of our life. I effect my daughter's will, when I tell her "no" and stop her from doing something. Rules and laws, morals and values effect our wills at work, on the streets, at home, everywhere. I can influence someone's will by simply talking to them. Therapists and couselors jobs are to change someone's will. Magick is influence and manipulation of energy to effect the world around them.

Someone who tries to be mostly constructive will use magick to better themselves and everyone around them even if it means "tough love" aka justice. They look out for the best interests of the world as a whole, not egocentric in the least. They can use any means they wish to achieve this. Just as police officers use guns, st and arrest. Psychologists use words. Teachers give knowledge. A warrior will beat you senseless until you can beat him. Do you know that military breaks people and then reconditions them to think and act as they desire?

You can hold onto your views since they make you feel "safe" but when you gain more experience in magick those views are going to shatter. Magick and life run hand in hand.

Sure we have free will, but very few people truly use their willpower. They walk through life just going with the flow. They follow instincts, we are animals after all. The majority of human behavior and action is automatic. And when faced with a choice, the easiest choice is generally taken. Sure, when they truly "will" something, they will combat anyone who "wills" opposite, but then "wills" will clash and it becomes a battle of willpower. But how many things in this world do people truly "will"? Very little unless they walk a magickal path. And even then, most things are left to nature.

Karma has nothing to do with curses and hexes working. Karma has been improperly connected with some sort of cosmic force of justice crushing down wrong doers. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but Karma is the progression or degression from enlightenment. It is like attracting like. Not "they hurt me, so they're wrong! Karma will be used to smite them now!" No. It doesn't work like that. It is simply cause and effect.

Then you throw in "Fate". If we have free will, how can fate be involved! Make up your mind please. Old magick commands the powers to do their will. As time goes on its become more of a respect and be respected type of relationship. Those who put their lives in "fates" hands are those who relinquish their control over their life. Therefore will becomes obsolete and they are more suseptible to influencement and manipulation both physically through the words and actions of others as well as magickally.

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Re: why not all spells work
By: / Knowledgeable
Post # 7
If we cannot be influenced against our "wills" and we are so very full of willpower in everything we do, then why do we believe in the power of spiritual forces be it deity, "fate", higher beings, or spirits both malevolent and benevolent influencing our lives sometimes even daily? Spiritual energy and magick are one. If energy was so feable to influence us, why do we cleanse, banish and protect ourselves from negative energy and harmful spiritual beings? According to you, as long as we don't will it to be, it would not effect us. So all this time, for hundreds and thousands of years, magick practioners have wasted their time? I think not.
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