Seven Deadly Sins

To the first commentor, if a sheep
didn't follow it's sheperd, it would starve or get eaten. The sheperd cares, and I am sure the sheep no there is a whole world out there, the want to sta because they like it.

""Without wrath, we cannot know compassion. Without greed we cannot know charity. Without lust we cannot know love. Without sloth we cannot know motivation. Without pride we cannot know humility. Without gluttony we cannot know self restraint. Without envy we cannot know self worth.""

Totally agree with you on that Nevermore, Sorry Beine but after reading about 6 lines sloth got a hold of me, long posts on computers hurt my eyes..so I really didn't read your whole post, just got the general idea it's about the seven sins and well Nevermores quoted post above sums up what I think about them in a nutshell really.

Love and Light

i agree with biene

"To the first commentor, if a sheep
didn't follow it's sheperd, it would starve or get eaten. The sheperd cares, and I am sure the sheep no there is a whole world out there, the want to sta because they like it."


Actually, as you have pointed out, they stay because they would starve or get eaten. Though in truth, being eaten is going to be more the cause than anything else.

The Shepard cares only because keeping the masses around means a better business for him in trade. More sheep, more wool.

The sheep stay out of fear and the shepard likes the mindless control that eventually lines his pockets. ;)


Speaking completely literally of course =D

huh

Gotta go with Never on this one...humans as sheep...is disgusting...

Nevermore said "I see nothing wrong with these ''sins''. Personally, I say live them, jump into them and enjoy them. Why? Because from them you learn. Without these ''sins'', one never truly understands themselves, nor how they wish to be."

The idea that we were presenting was not so much the idea of Christian sin - as so many people have seemingly "jumped on the bandwagon" of. If everyone has actually read the post, from beginning to end, you would have realized we were talking about spirits, spiritual delusion, the concept and wrongs of living *below* one's means and the delusion of living *above* one's means.

You say that without the "sins" you never truly understand yourselves. That is perfectly true and acceptibe, however, we went a step further in the post, because knowing yourself, is also knowing and being aware of the spirits and forces around us and those that try to be more than simply "around".

Negative influences will and can come in various disguises, even the disguise of deluded ignorance.

You speak of understanding yourself. Which parts of yourself do you want to understand? Your physical only? What about the spiritual, emotional and mental aspect of your self? Obviously you are aware of spiritual entities, emotions, powers, etc - as you are posting and active on a spiritual site. Magic isn't performed without using energy, very often not your own. You should know that as well.

Do you not need to understand the energy of the spirits that are around you? The impact they may have on all parts of your life? I certainly don't want to work within the negative energies of spirits with ill will towards me or my loved ones. Do you?

If you understand that negative spirits directly cause negative outcomes - if you let them, you will understand that the article was not about the sins, so much as it was about the effects of negative energy. The seven we wrote about sum up nicely the vastness of the full spectrum of all of negativity. Different words could have been used. The Subject of the post could have been something else. The meanings would have been the same.

We are not Christians. We don't live Christian lives. But, it is nice to understand what we are up against, all of us.

I would hope all that join this site and others like it, join with the intent to grow, understand, progress and find all that they desire within the spiritual, physical and emotional worlds. There is much to be found.

I, for one, desire for people not to fall into delusion. Relishing in negativity will certainly allow one to fall into delusion. It happens over and over again, continually.

If you want to talk about sheep - consider your own shepherd.

Caper

I at no point jumped on any bandwagon calling this Christian anything. In fact I specifically asked if we were talking about spirits in the sense of separate entities.

From your reply, I gather you are to some degree so I again make my statement of this comes across as "the devil made me do it".

I do not now, nor will I ever believe that some spirit is roaming around my being influencing my energy to make me feel any of these things. Frankly, I don't consider myself high on the priority list. If you are of the belief that spirits have nothing better to do than to wander the earth messing with peoples energy, well...right on to you and your belief.



Now..what parts of me do I wish to understand? All parts obviously. And that is a learning process and one of the points of life. And yes, thank you, I am well aware that magick is the use of energy. I have been doing this for some time now and at the very least have that idea down. Good looking out though.

Again, I do not believe that "spirits" are what causes anything. I find it to be an excuse. "I didn't do anything to cause this, it must be the meanie spirits who have sought out to bring about destruction on me for being..me". That's what it sounds like.

I prefer to be of the belief that actions cause reactions on a constant basis. That what I do sets off a chain of events that could in fact reach across the world if I sit down and think about it hard enough. That makes me responsible. Not invisible forces plotting against me or mine.


Back to understanding all parts of ourselves - Again, these sins do that (and for the record, you used a Christian term..don't get upset when people read it as exactly that).

I'm not sure how what I have explained cannot be perceived as growing as a whole person. If you wish to see it in a limited scope of only the physical, well thats on you.

I do not think compassion, charity, love, humility, self restraint and self worth are limited to only the physical being. Perhaps take a moment to see how these stretch the scope of a person entirely?


Don't get me wrong, this post is a fine example of how you both choose to see life and live in it. Nothing wrong with that. Just not sure why the defensiveness when someone disagrees with you. Surely you didn't think everyone would jump up and down, hug each other, find a tree to hug and be one.


My final thought...I am my own Shepard. I lead myself. I have no one and nothing to blame on my failures, hard times, moments of negativity - or anything else of that nature - on anyone but myself. And that's just how I like it. =)

Nevermore I think the bandwagon comment was more likely directed at me since I didn't read the whole of the first post..and I'm still not going to either. Sins are just the negative end of human nature in my book nothing more nothing less thats my own personal view anyway.

Love and Light

I think ill add my two cents now. The existence of "sin" is to provide and opposite to the human faults. Now i am not going to get all religious as i find religion tends to sometimes mis interpret certain things (well the people who interpret it)

but to put it simple, these sins are what are known to be your inner demons, egoistic ways of the lower self, not everyone here will agree with me, but i am just here to state my view and experiences.

The less egoistic ways you produce is the better you can spiritually ascend, you don't need to be perfect to begin, the perfection comes at the end of it (waits for the sighs to come out)

when one has reached a level of where they have reduced their egoistic ways one can transcend such things, cause i do not believe the foolish statement made in churches "we were born in sin" - utter nonsense