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can a christian do magic?
By:
Sep 22, 2007
Post # 1
hi im new and i got 2 questions
#1 - im a christian and some websites say that its a mortal sin to practise magic is that true?
#2 - how do u actualy do magic? *please give a detailed description*
thnx
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Re: can a christian do magic?
By:
Sep 22, 2007
Post # 2
1 more question
do u hav to be born into magic or can u jst learn and cast spells
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Re: can a christian do ma
By: Ravyne
Sep 22, 2007
Post # 3
#1 - Since you're a Christian, you have the advantage of bestselling canon, and can read the Bible for a final word about what's a mortal sin and what isn't instead of reading it over the internet, can't you? Well, I put in most of what I've learned about magic and Christianity here and this site talks about Christianity in medieval grimoires. The Key of Solomon (yup, title references the Biblical King Solomon, son of David who beat Goliath, writer of Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and probably Song of Songs-- though not the Key and I wouldn't know how he'd feel about the content but it is very Christianized,) is one of the most popular books of ceremonial magic.

#2 - My hypothesis is that the mind focuses to control the body of light-- call it a soul or spirit or etheric/astral body... and the change in "frequency" or "resonance" of this personal energy has certain effects on the the energy around it. Magic happens with channeling this body (cultivating extra-sensory perception,) and focusing the Will (learning to move this body the way we want to change frequency and resonance, like we learned to walk and talk and write with our physical bodies.)

That's a modern and more direct approach, but I see how it can work (and usually has worked,) the other way: getting out the wands and tools, the herbs and candles and chants, and just getting the discipline of spellcasting in until it works. I think this works by every tool, herb, candle-color, and word in a chant having a specific meaning that is meant to channel and focus your subconscious.

If you don't want to leave your tradition then you probably would want to look into theurgia rather than the regular magic as I've described. Er, was this the kind of answer you were looking for? Sorry if it wasn't, and feel free to dismiss the ramble.

#3 - In my opinion, like all talents, it helps a lot to have a natural disposition but it's useless if you don't work at that talent, and work alone can get you further than talent alone can (if you give it a much longer time.)

Anyway, welcome, and hope this helped.
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Re: can a christian do magic?
By: Draco
Sep 22, 2007
Post # 4
Well,
I do not know if you are aware of this or not but your King Solomon from the Cristianity belief was a practitioner in magic and ofter seaked guidence from fortune tellers in the bible.
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Re: can a christian do magic?
By:
Nov 12, 2007
Post # 5
fo get that MAGIC IS NOT SIN
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Re: can a christian do ma
By: Chaos
Nov 12, 2007
Post # 6
yes u can!
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Re: can a christian do ma
By: Ravyne
Nov 12, 2007
Post # 7
Ezekiel 13:20
The "magic charms" are kesatot in the original Greek, also translated as "bands" and "pillows". It refers to a necromantic ritual where they trap souls, as mentioned.

Revelation 18:23, 9:21, 21:8, 22:15
pharmakeia in the original Greek, better translated into pharmacy than magic although the original connotation is closer to "drug-dealer" who hallucinated trafficking with spirits. This source maintains the use of the word magos who used personal power but this source had some form of pharmakeia at each of the above verses.

Deuteronomy 18:10
I can't find the exact Hebrew word, but I'll bet it was one of these very specific ones:
yid'oni: communicating with spirits who are not of God
sho'el 'ov : communicating with the dead spirits who are not of God
qosem q'samim : divination by using lots instead of asking God
m'onen : divination by interpreting signs in nature instead of asking God
m'nachesh : snake charming by your own power and not from God
chover chavar : using knot-tying to breach free will (binding) of someone else with your own will instead of asking God for strength
m'khaseph : using incantations to hurt people instead of asking God to smite them
doresh 'el hametim : consulter of spirits of the dead instead of God

Leviticus 19:26
"Do not practice divination "

These changes in natural course are condoned in the Bible: interpreting precognitive dreams to deal with famine, turning a stick into a snake, changing water into blood, keeping death-curses at bay, parting seas, turning water into wine, pigs into suicidal demons, raising the dead... that all sounds like magic but for the hows of it it's very clear that Christians may perform magic ONLY through a specific branch of magic called Theurgia (magic through a patron deity.) Thou shalt have no other gods before me. your Self included.
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Re: can a christian do ma
By: Ravyne
Nov 12, 2007
Post # 8
Ezekiel 13:20
The "magic charms" are kesatot in the original Greek, also translated as "bands" and "pillows". It refers to a necromantic ritual where they trap souls, as mentioned.

Revelation 18:23, 9:21, 21:8, 22:15
pharmakeia in the original Greek, better translated into pharmacy than magic although the original connotation is closer to "drug-dealer" who hallucinated trafficking with spirits. This source maintains the use of the word magos who used personal power but this source had some form of pharmakeia at each of the above verses.

Deuteronomy 18:10
I can't find the exact Hebrew word, but I'll bet it was one of these very specific ones:
yid'oni: communicating with spirits who are not of God
sho'el 'ov : communicating with the dead spirits who are not of God
qosem q'samim : divination by using lots instead of asking God
m'onen : divination by interpreting signs in nature instead of asking God
m'nachesh : snake charming by your own power and not from God
chover chavar : using knot-tying to breach free will (binding) of someone else with your own will instead of asking God for strength
m'khaseph : using incantations to hurt people instead of asking God to smite them
doresh 'el hametim : consulter of spirits of the dead instead of God

Leviticus 19:26
"Do not practice divination "

These changes in natural course are condoned in the Bible: interpreting precognitive dreams to deal with famine, turning a stick into a snake, changing water into blood, keeping death-curses at bay, parting seas, turning water into wine, pigs into suicidal demons, raising the dead... that all sounds like magic but for the hows of it it's very clear that Christians may perform magic ONLY through a specific branch of magic called Theurgia (magic through a patron deity.) Thou shalt have no other gods before me. your Self included.
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Re: can a christian do ma
By: Ravyne
Nov 12, 2007
Post # 9
Ezekiel 13:20
The "magic charms" are kesatot in the original Greek, also translated as "bands" and "pillows". It refers to a necromantic ritual where they trap souls, as mentioned.

Revelation 18:23, 9:21, 21:8, 22:15
pharmakeia in the original Greek, better translated into pharmacy than magic although the original connotation is closer to "drug-dealer" who hallucinated trafficking with spirits. This source maintains the use of the word magos who used personal power but this source had some form of pharmakeia at each of the above verses.

Deuteronomy 18:10
I can't find the exact Hebrew word, but I'll bet it was one of these very specific ones:
yid'oni: communicating with spirits who are not of God
sho'el 'ov : communicating with the dead spirits who are not of God
qosem q'samim : divination by using lots instead of asking God
m'onen : divination by interpreting signs in nature instead of asking God
m'nachesh : snake charming by your own power and not from God
chover chavar : using knot-tying to breach free will (binding) of someone else with your own will instead of asking God for strength
m'khaseph : using incantations to hurt people instead of asking God to smite them
doresh 'el hametim : consulter of spirits of the dead instead of God

Leviticus 19:26
"Do not practice divination "

These changes in natural course are condoned in the Bible: interpreting precognitive dreams to deal with famine, turning a stick into a snake, changing water into blood, keeping death-curses at bay, parting seas, turning water into wine, pigs into suicidal demons, raising the dead... that all sounds like magic but for the hows of it it's very clear that Christians may perform magic ONLY through a specific branch of magic called Theurgia (magic through a patron deity.) So, yes, a Christian can do magic but only in a particular Christian way. Otherwise, you're a self-worshipping magos . Thou shalt have no other gods before me. your Ego included.
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